Thread: liquid oral recipes? w/o everclear

Btw straight everclear under your tongue feels like you burned yourself so fuck that

Sorry I took so long to get to this. Here is my first post. I wrote it in another thread but am copy and pasting it into here because this is the best thread title to find it. I will be adding to this with my various techniques for my personal use and appreciate any impute from anyone on their home-brew methods.

I promised the guy that started this thread I would give him my technique for liquid Var here.

Here is the best way I have found to do Var as a liquid oral. I take our Var and this is the way I do it.

First I will explain why. Var doesn't solution well. It crashes if you try to make it at a decent concentration. Solution is when you dissolve it into a clear liquid. Since this doesn't work for Var, the way to do it is as a suspension. That is when you make it into an evenly distributed powder that you can see in the liquid- in other words it's not dissolved.

The problem with most suspensions is that they don't distribute very evenly. They clump or they sink to the bottom and have to be shaken.

The way I do Var, you don't have those problems. You see, Var is more like sand than powder and it doesn't clump. So all you need is something with the right viscosity to keep it evenly distributed and I know just the thing.

Here is the link to where you can get it at the best price that I know of;

Humco Flavor Plus Oral Suspending Vehicle 16 oz

This stuff is actually designed to be a suspension vehicle. It doesn't work very well with powders that clump like dbol but with something with a sandy consistency like Var it's perfect. It stays very evenly distributed. I would still give it a shake before each use though.

All you need to do is decide the concentration you want and mix it. It's as easy as making a glass of protein.

By the way, it works ok with winny even though it's kind of powdery.

I've got some Winny and Var mixed together in it that I'm taking right now.

Now that is some interesting information.

1. so how many powder do I have to use for 5 g of anavar?
2, What dissolvent should I use
3. how many dissolvent to make for instance 50 ml/ 25mg

Originally Posted by shearerr

1. so how many powder do I have to use for 5 g of anavar?
2, What dissolvent should I use
3. how many dissolvent to make for instance 50 ml/ 25mg

Here is how to figure it.

First your using the Flavor Plus stuff I put a link to in my post above as your suspension vehicle.

For 50ml/25mg you would multiply the number of doses (50ml), by the concentration (25mg), to get the amount of powder to pour into the solution.

So 50 X 25mg = 1250mg or 1.25 grams. So you dump that amount of powder into the Flavor Plus suspension stuff. Shake it. your done. It is as easy as making a glass of protein - except that you weigh it.

Let me know if I was unclear about any step.

thanks airsealed
Do you have perhaps also recipe for exemestane ?

anavar liquid= 1gr.powder- 9.8mls peg.300,- 39.2mls. grain alcohol. or you can use all peg.300 or 400 makes 50mls@ 20mgs.per ml.

Originally Posted by shearerr

thanks airsealed
Do you have perhaps also recipe for exemestane ?

Sorry I took so long to get to this bro.

Exemestane is tricky. I don't have a perfect solution for it but here is what I do.

First I use pure glycerin. It's cheap if you know where to buy it. And it tastes good - unlike everclear.

I heat the glycerin in the microwave before I put the Exemestane in. If you are doing say 30 ml it takes about 45 seconds to get it really really hot. Please be careful because glycerin gets insanely hot. But that is what you need to get the Exemestane to solution in it. Exemestane does not melt easily.

Anyway, once you have heated the glycerin, pour in your Exemestane. It will solution completely if your glycerin is hot enough.

Now remember I said it is not a perfect answer. Reason is, it will cease to be a clear solution once it becomes room temperature. It's ok though because if you shake before using it is evenly distributed enough because it was a solution when it was hot. Might sound funny, but you will see what I mean if you try it. It tastes a lot better that Everclear and I'm not even sure how it melts and holds in that stuff as I don't remember if I have tried it.

By the way I use pure glycerin for most other orals and it works roughly like it does Exemestane. But I use that flavor plus stuff for Var because it works perfectly for that stuff. Trust me on that.

Originally Posted by airsealed2

Sorry I took so long to get to this bro.

Exemestane is tricky. I don't have a perfect solution for it but here is what I do.

First I use pure glycerin. It's cheap if you know where to buy it. And it tastes good - unlike everclear.

I heat the glycerin in the microwave before I put the Exemestane in. If you are doing say 30 ml it takes about 45 seconds to get it really really hot. Please be careful because glycerin gets insanely hot. But that is what you need to get the Exemestane to solution in it. Exemestane does not melt easily.

Anyway, once you have heated the glycerin, pour in your Exemestane. It will solution completely if your glycerin is hot enough.

Now remember I said it is not a perfect answer. Reason is, it will cease to be a clear solution once it becomes room temperature. It's ok though because if you shake before using it is evenly distributed enough because it was a solution when it was hot. Might sound funny, but you will see what I mean if you try it. It tastes a lot better that Everclear and I'm not even sure how it melts and holds in that stuff as I don't remember if I have tried it.

By the way I use pure glycerin for most other orals and it works roughly like it does Exemestane. But I use that flavor plus stuff for Var because it works perfectly for that stuff. Trust me on that.

Flavor plus for dbol and winny as well?


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

Originally Posted by Thresh

Flavor plus for dbol and winny as well?


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

Flavor plus works ok for winny. You just have to stir it really well to break it up because it clumps a little. Once you've done that you only have to shake before doses. It's what I use for winny.

It won't work for Dbol from what I remember. I use glycerin for dbol. It solutions when hot and then at room temp, it gets cloudy but is still not clumpy. Just shake it before using. It's not perfect but is very workable.

Originally Posted by airsealed2

Sorry I took so long to get to this bro.

Exemestane is tricky. I don't have a perfect solution for it but here is what I do.

First I use pure glycerin. It's cheap if you know where to buy it. And it tastes good - unlike everclear.

I heat the glycerin in the microwave before I put the Exemestane in. If you are doing say 30 ml it takes about 45 seconds to get it really really hot. Please be careful because glycerin gets insanely hot. But that is what you need to get the Exemestane to solution in it. Exemestane does not melt easily.

Anyway, once you have heated the glycerin, pour in your Exemestane. It will solution completely if your glycerin is hot enough.

Now remember I said it is not a perfect answer. Reason is, it will cease to be a clear solution once it becomes room temperature. It's ok though because if you shake before using it is evenly distributed enough because it was a solution when it was hot. Might sound funny, but you will see what I mean if you try it. It tastes a lot better that Everclear and I'm not even sure how it melts and holds in that stuff as I don't remember if I have tried it.

By the way I use pure glycerin for most other orals and it works roughly like it does Exemestane. But I use that flavor plus stuff for Var because it works perfectly for that stuff. Trust me on that.

Amazon.com: Glycerin Vegetable Kosher USP - 1 Quart: Health & Personal Care
Amazon.com: Heritage Store Vegetable Glycerin Oil 4 oz.: Beauty are these two pure glycerins o.k to use?

Originally Posted by shearerr

Amazon.com: Glycerin Vegetable Kosher USP - 1 Quart: Health & Personal Care
Amazon.com: Heritage Store Vegetable Glycerin Oil 4 oz.: Beauty are these two pure glycerins o.k to use?

That will work bro. Not too bad a price either. 30 0z will go a long way. By the way even though it is as sweet as suger, it does not spike insulin so it makes a great sweetener for people on low carb.

I just pm'ed this to a guy and am adding it here for everyone else.

Here is his question,

I got a small amount of arimidex powder in today.
I saw in another thread that you talked about suspending things in this vehicle:
http://www.familyotc.com/Humco-Flavo.../cd3537198.htm

would it be as simple as measuring the amount of liquid needed, then just add the powder and mix?

Here is my answer,

I don't think it would.

That's the bad news, the good news is there is something that works great. There are two issues with arimidex that combine to make "Flavor Plus" unsuitable as a suspension vehicle for it. The first problem is that arimidex is effective at much smaller doses than other substances. It is dosed in micro-grams rather than milligrams. This means that it must be much more evenly distributed than other substances dosed in mgs.

This means that suspension really wont work - you need to solution it because it is powdery and will clump (the second problem I referred to) in Flavor Plus. And a clump of arimidex could be 10 days dosing easily. That would mean no estrogen in your body - not good. Not the end of the world but certainly not our goal.

So the good news is glycerin works great for an adex solution. Simply heat the glycerin up in the microwave. Be careful when you do that. Glycerin gets very very very hot in the micro. Waaay hotter than water. If you spill it on yourself it will melt your skin right off bro.

Anyway, lets say you want 30mg/ml concentration. Heat 30 ml of glycerin in the micro for a liitle less than a minute. It will come out steaming. Pour in 30mg of adex and let it melt. When you can't see any flakes it is solutioned.

It needs several hours to cool at room temperature.

Just one thing. I think adex is one of those things that can be stubborn about melting. Not sure because I make so many things and I may be confusing it with exemestane- that stuff is a bitch to melt. If it doesn't melt I stick it in the microwave and heat for like 15 or 20 seconds and it melts all the way. I'm not saying that is the smart thing to do, but it's what I do. I don't know if it is degraded by that.

The other thing you could do is try again and heat the glycerin hotter before adding the Adex. Don't lean over your beaker if you do, if it exploded like water can from a micro, your face would be gone bro.

The good thing is it will hold at that concentration when it does melt.

I hope I'm not being confusing but it is an imperfect world made difficult by our damned monopolistic government. In other words, were not only on our own, those bastards are doing everything they can to make it harder on us to protect big pharma's monopoly. Screw them.

Originally Posted by airsealed2

Here is how to figure it.

First your using the Flavor Plus stuff I put a link to in my post above as your suspension vehicle.

For 50ml/25mg you would multiply the number of doses (50ml), by the concentration (25mg), to get the amount of powder to pour into the solution.

So 50 X 25mg = 1250mg or 1.25 grams. So you dump that amount of powder into the Flavor Plus suspension stuff. Shake it. your done. It is as easy as making a glass of protein - except that you weigh it.

Let me know if I was unclear about any step.

to make this, would you use 50ml of the flavor plus suspension or less/more?

Yes 5o ml the powder will not throw off the volume enough to adjust for.

If you are worried about throwing the volume off there is a rather simple solution.

Fill one vial with exactly 50ml of liquid (water is fine). This you will use as your "standard" of measurement.

Next take an empty vial and put it right next to the other vial, add the powder to it first, then add your liquid to the vial and record how much you add, once it's about half filled swirl it a little bit to mix it with anything settled on the bottom. Then keep filling it till it is exactly even with your "standard 50ml vial".

Now you might have recorded that you added the powder plus 48ml of liquid and it equaled a 50ml vial. Now you have a working conversion for yourself.


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

would it be ok to use 50ml for 7.5g? or would it be too concentrated and should use 75ml for 7.5g? i'm trying to keep it at 100mg/ml but if i have to dilute it a little more i can do that too.

Originally Posted by adwal99

would it be ok to use 50ml for 7.5g? or would it be too concentrated and should use 75ml for 7.5g? i'm trying to keep it at 100mg/ml but if i have to dilute it a little more i can do that too.

If you're talking about the flavor plus, it will suspend at that fine. I've done 90 mg/ml.

Originally Posted by airsealed2

If you're talking about the flavor plus, it will suspend at that fine. I've done 90 mg/ml.

Nice thanks for the response! I'll be placing an order soon just trying to get some of my dudes to go in on it with me

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Originally Posted by towing

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Originally Posted by airsealed2

Sorry I took so long to get to this. Here is my first post. I wrote it in another thread but am copy and pasting it into here because this is the best thread title to find it. I will be adding to this with my various techniques for my personal use and appreciate any impute from anyone on their home-brew methods.

I promised the guy that started this thread I would give him my technique for liquid Var here.

Here is the best way I have found to do Var as a liquid oral. I take our Var and this is the way I do it.

First I will explain why. Var doesn't solution well. It crashes if you try to make it at a decent concentration. Solution is when you dissolve it into a clear liquid. Since this doesn't work for Var, the way to do it is as a suspension. That is when you make it into an evenly distributed powder that you can see in the liquid- in other words it's not dissolved.

The problem with most suspensions is that they don't distribute very evenly. They clump or they sink to the bottom and have to be shaken.

The way I do Var, you don't have those problems. You see, Var is more like sand than powder and it doesn't clump. So all you need is something with the right viscosity to keep it evenly distributed and I know just the thing.

Here is the link to where you can get it at the best price that I know of;

Humco Flavor Plus Oral Suspending Vehicle 16 oz

This stuff is actually designed to be a suspension vehicle. It doesn't work very well with powders that clump like dbol but with something with a sandy consistency like Var it's perfect. It stays very evenly distributed. I would still give it a shake before each use though.

All you need to do is decide the concentration you want and mix it. It's as easy as making a glass of protein.

By the way, it works ok with winny even though it's kind of powdery.

I've got some Winny and Var mixed together in it that I'm taking right now.

So, Airsealed.... Can you mix large amounts of the various and flavor plus without worry of it going bad? Provided its kept in a cool dry place?

Originally Posted by melochai

So, Airsealed.... Can you mix large amounts of the various and flavor plus without worry of it going bad? Provided its kept in a cool dry place?

you say like Var + Winny in the same solution?

I'm sorry. That should've been "Var" not various....damn auto correct!

would this kit be of use for makeing oral solutions:

Amazon.com: HCG Sublingual mixing Kit from Medicalsupplyliquidators Hcg Mixing Supplies for UP to 5 times with a 5000 IU size hcg.: Health & Personal Care

Originally Posted by bigsjunk

would this kit be of use for makeing oral solutions:

Amazon.com: HCG Sublingual mixing Kit from Medicalsupplyliquidators Hcg Mixing Supplies for UP to 5 times with a 5000 IU size hcg.: Health & Personal Care

No, this wont' work

Thanks OB; I wonder if we aren't overthinking this stuff. Wouldn't bacteriostatic water work just as well with most powdered products? In particular winny, dbol, and (still happily waiting) Ptren?

Oh to be clear about that link I wasn't thinking of wasting hcg by using it orally just wondering about the liquids for making a suspension that are included in the "kit".