ironro

1) 28
2) 194lbs 15%bf
3) 4 years lifting 10 years martial arts - Kept 20 pounds lean mass over past four years
4) never done a cycle
5) 15 minute morning jog on waking 6 days per week, 2 muscle groups in gym 4-5 days per week, 2 hours martial arts 4-6 days per week (30-45 mins cardio)
3500k-4500k cal per day clean diet - no junk
6) my goals would be to get the "golden pair" and burn fat + gain weight while on cycle, maybe keep 15 pounds muscle and stay between 10-20%bf

Thanks for everyones help and input, it is VERY much appreciated. Waiting on my blood work to come back before I get started.

1st cycle planned:

Week 1-12 Test-E 500mg
Week 1-10 Deca 300mg
Week 3-12 HCG 250ui E4D

Do I have to start HCG on the first week or can I wait until it week 3 as Eric suggests?

Are the time frames and dosages good? I'm somewhat concerned with Deca from what I've read about, but it seems safe at this level if you have it with test. Any ideas?

PCT
WK13.5-14.5: Clomid 100mg/ED & Nolvadex 40mg/ED
WK14.5-15.5: Clomid 50mg/ED & Nolvadex 20mg/ED


Is there anything else that one should add for the PCT here? Arimedex?

Does the dosage and time table look ok? PCT look ok?

Again... a BIG thanks to everyone for your help!

VictorZ06

It's good to see that someone did a little homework!

Looks rather nice for a first cycle, test and deca make for a great program at any stage, IMHO. My first cycle was test and deca. Your doses look fine when comparing them to your stats.

I would start HCG at the end of week one, or so that works for me. HCG dose is about right. Some use it a bit more frequently.

Running adex at .5 mg ed along side of your program is a good idea since you are running deca. Another thing to consider is some proviron, 50mg ed WK1-15.

Only thing I would note is your body fat...you said you want to stay between 10-20%. There is a HUGE difference between the two. Aim for a more specific number...you don't want to be anywhere near 20%. Good luck bro!!

/V

ironro

Thanks Victor, that's some great input. If you have the time, I have some questions. Do you recall how you felt on this cycle? Did you get bloated like I hear about from deca? Do you think that one can stay low on body fat with this cycle assuming the nutrition and training is right? How about any changes in mood or energy? or stamina and sexual performance? I guess I will find out soon enough, but I always like to know other bros input so I can prepare.

Also, the proviron? If I have to hunt this down, it will take more time before I start, now that's not a bad thing as we all know it's better to be safe than sorry, but I haven't heard about using it on the cycle. Can you hook me up with some details?


Thanks again!

VictorZ06

I felt great starting around week 4. Yes, my body did retain water from the deca and there was some bloating. You can point the finger at both enan and the deca for that.

BF will go up. At least it should go up since you are bulking here. No real change in mood, but after a few weeks, I found myself becoming more energetic. I started seeing gains rather quick (although most of it at the time was water) but it was still amazing watching your body change so fast...so that alone put me in a good mood.

No sexual issues. NONE, and I had proviron to thank for that. I've run programs with and without proviron. I won't run anything without it again. It helps you in so many different ways, including helping you release more test. Proviron helps a great deal in the libido dept. and is widely used in the BB community. My nuts turned into the size of peanuts because I didn't use any HCG at the time, I used it for post. I now know much better never to do that again.

/V

raza abbas

I had nothing to say here, Victor cover all ur questions very well as always.

And I hope every new comer follow u like the way u gives ur complete status and info cuz this way u r helping ur self cuz we know where ur standing and from where we have to start.

Very gud.

One thing I want to say here, if u r running proviron,HGC + adex between ur cycle then u don’t need to run clomid or nolva u can use them in ur PCT..

Take care.

And Victor {BRO} correct me here if I am wrong.

Body building is a life time commitment not a training course.

SJ69

Looks good. I would consider upping the Deca just b/c 300mg/wk isn't enough IMO to get the most out of the deca. The only problem w/ upping the Deca is then you would also want to up the Test. You could consider running a Test only cycle for your first cycle and saving the deca for your second cycle. If you want to run both Test at 750mg and Deca at 500mg ew is a great cycle, just a little heavy for a first cycle.
Also, I'd consider skipping the Clomid and using just the Nolvadex especially considering that you have the HCG to aid recovery.
Either way you have a well though out cycle and it would work just fine as planned originally.

"I don't like small cars or real big women, but somehow I always find myself in 'em" - KR

SJ69

If you keep yor Test higher than your Deca you shouldn't need Proviron for libido, hell you may too horny. My libido NEVER suffers on cycle. You should feel great on cycle, like you are 18 again or better. It will take a while, probably 4 weeks for the cycle to really start to kick in, you could throw in 100mg of prop EOD for the first few weeks to kick it in quicker.

"I don't like small cars or real big women, but somehow I always find myself in 'em" - KR

raza abbas

Yes it’s a good idea, u can also use test prop just for kick start for the first 4 week.

And for running nolva or proviron between ur cycle well for that I can only say that every human‘s body is different from another.. Its ur job to know ur own body maybe nolva suits u well or may be proviron suits u well… I respect what sj69 told u he is a very old member of IRON MAG but from my knowledge and from my AAS teacher i learn that nolva is bit harder then clomid. And too much enti-e will slower ur gain while ur cycling..

And I think, let the veterans of this forum decide what’s good fro u.

Be safe Buddy.

Body building is a life time commitment not a training course.