Bes first cutting cycle

Shadowcam · 06-19-2009, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe8912

I apologize for calling you an idiot, I felt that the way that you were coming off was quite condescending and rude quite frankly. Furthermore, I am pretty confident you can't asses my maturity level by me asking a question. A "very *immature*, *impatient* kid" (I spelled those words correctly for you) would just take whatever shit he could get his hands on instead of trying to gather more information and evaluating what would his the best option.

Anyways Built what is this UD2.0 thing you are reffering to. I tried to click on your link but it looked like those were just your stats. Can you send me a link or PM me some instructions? Thank you!

Its great that you can spell son but that will not help you build muscle.

This is not a education forum, it is a bodybuilding forum where you are a novice asking advise of more experienced personel, then telling them they are wrong and you are right which makes you immature.

Dont bother with the spell check son!

m11 · 06-19-2009, 09:12 AM

in case Built hasn't contacted you yet,

The Ultimate Diet 2.0 is a training and diet protocol intended for below 15%BF individiduals with a beyond elementary understand of diet and training. It is authored by Lyle McDonald.

The Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

**Built** · 06-19-2009, 10:17 AM

Gabe, buy the book and read it (it's cheaper than a cycle and will give you far better value at this point in your development). I can run the numbers for you once you're ready to start.

Gabe8912 · 06-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowcam

Its great that you can spell son but that will not help you build muscle.

This is not a education forum, it is a bodybuilding forum where you are a novice asking advise of more experienced personel, then telling them they are wrong and you are right which makes you immature.

Dont bother with the spell check son!

man I feel sorry for you

Gabe8912 · 06-19-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m11

in case Built hasn't contacted you yet,

The Ultimate Diet 2.0 is a training and diet protocol intended for below 15%BF individiduals with a beyond elementary understand of diet and training. It is authored by Lyle McDonald.

The Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

thanks m11 and built, I will check it out.

jmorrison · 06-19-2009, 09:46 PM

Gabe, I think you are misunderstanding these guys. They aren't putting you down or trying to give you a hard time. Shadowcam is EXTREMELY helpful and knowledgeable, and is only trying to point you away from something that you will probably regret.

At 19 years old, you are throwing out so much natural test, that you can blow up very very easily just from diet and training. Adding steroids to the mix can potentially mess up your own natural test production at the best time in your life to have it.

I made the best gains of my life at your age, and it was all through diet and training. You obviously have the desire, the drive, and the willpower to achieve your goals. Your current level of fitness speaks to that. However, take the advice given here for what it is. Free advice provided from extremely experienced people. Just read up on the info they are giving you, and you will be amazed at what you can do naturally at your age.

**Built** · 06-20-2009, 02:33 AM

jmorrison, thank you for that - Shadowcam is a valued and generous contributor here - he was by no means being insulting.

Gabe, best of luck in reaching your physique goals. Please keep us apprised as to your progress.

Gabe8912 · 06-20-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

jmorrison, thank you for that - Shadowcam is a valued and generous contributor here - he was by no means being insulting.

Gabe, best of luck in reaching your physique goals. Please keep us apprised as to your progress.

Ha Im pretty sure him saying I'm an immature little kid is being insulting. At least to me it is. But thank you I will keep you guys updated

Shadowcam · 06-21-2009, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe8912

Ha Im pretty sure him saying I'm an immature little kid is being insulting. At least to me it is. But thank you I will keep you guys updated

If you go back and read the posts Im sure you will find that I was by no means insulting, I was offering you some helpfull advice which is what you asked for.

Your response to the advice was to call me an idiot because it wasnt the advice that you wanted, thats when I assumed you very immature and if you cant see that the way you conducted yourself was wrong, then thats exactly what you are.

Shadowcam · 06-21-2009, 06:26 AM

On a side note:

You are obviously not stupid but you need to be abit more open minded, willing to experiment and be abit less stubborn.

If your not prepared to listen to my advice, then I hope for you sake you will listen to some of the other experienced personell on this forum.

If you do then good luck!

06-19-2009, 09:12 AM	#32
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	in case Built hasn't contacted you yet, The Ultimate Diet 2.0 is a training and diet protocol intended for below 15%BF individiduals with a beyond elementary understand of diet and training. It is authored by Lyle McDonald. The Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald \| BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

06-19-2009, 10:17 AM	#33
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,116	Gabe, buy the book and read it (it's cheaper than a cycle and will give you far better value at this point in your development). I can run the numbers for you once you're ready to start. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

06-20-2009, 02:33 AM	#37
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,116	jmorrison, thank you for that - Shadowcam is a valued and generous contributor here - he was by no means being insulting. Gabe, best of luck in reaching your physique goals. Please keep us apprised as to your progress. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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06-19-2009, 09:46 PM	#36
jmorrison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 325	Gabe, I think you are misunderstanding these guys. They aren't putting you down or trying to give you a hard time. Shadowcam is EXTREMELY helpful and knowledgeable, and is only trying to point you away from something that you will probably regret. At 19 years old, you are throwing out so much natural test, that you can blow up very very easily just from diet and training. Adding steroids to the mix can potentially mess up your own natural test production at the best time in your life to have it. I made the best gains of my life at your age, and it was all through diet and training. You obviously have the desire, the drive, and the willpower to achieve your goals. Your current level of fitness speaks to that. However, take the advice given here for what it is. Free advice provided from extremely experienced people. Just read up on the info they are giving you, and you will be amazed at what you can do naturally at your age.

06-21-2009, 06:26 AM	#40
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	On a side note: You are obviously not stupid but you need to be abit more open minded, willing to experiment and be abit less stubborn. If your not prepared to listen to my advice, then I hope for you sake you will listen to some of the other experienced personell on this forum. If you do then good luck!