newb cycle questions

juggernaut · 07-05-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

So here's how I stand:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 150/100/100/50mg for four weeks after that last shot.

I'm doing this. I will keep a log and will use HCG next time. I'm doing a high volume workout or block workout with a clean bulk to minimize fat gain.

juggernaut · 07-29-2009, 07:45 PM

I'm about to start my cycle, and was researching clomid (my PCT of choice).

If test e has a half life of about 6 days, should I wait for six days to pass to start using clomid, or should I start on the day of the final injection? I'm getting conflicting reports that it doesnt matter if youre early, but it matters a lot if you are late.

Also, I was thinking of also using nolva at 40mg a day for 4 weeks with the clomid. Sound ok, or is this overkill since they are both SERMS?

VictorZ06 · 07-29-2009, 08:25 PM

You don't need both nolva and clomid, your cycle is not that heavy. Clomid alone will work just fine in your case, even though many guys run both clomid and nolva together. And you are correct, start taking your clomid about a week after your last shot. Good luck bro!

/V

Shadowcam · 07-30-2009, 12:57 AM

I would start clomid 14 days after last shot! Its ok to start early but it means you will be running it longer which I dont think is necersary.

juggernaut · 07-30-2009, 06:13 AM

is it okay if I start in the middle of these two numbers-like say about ten days after? Also, should I front load with 300mg on the first day?

BigPapaPump68 · 07-30-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

is it okay if I start in the middle of these two numbers-like say about ten days after? Also, should I front load with 300mg on the first day?

10 days after won't make much of a difference. IMO, you don't have to front load, I never did, and came out just fine.

VictorZ06 · 07-30-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

is it okay if I start in the middle of these two numbers-like say about ten days after? Also, should I front load with 300mg on the first day?

That would be fine (when I said about a week, I meant 7-10 days), and yes...personally I would take 300mg the first day, I always do.

/V

VictorZ06 · 07-30-2009, 08:54 AM

Clomid dosage after steroids

A Clomid dosage after your steroid cycle is necessary for you to avoid a post-cycle crash.

Clomid is a prescription drug that is advised for women to induce ovulation. In much simpler terms, Clomid is classified as a fertility drug. In the bodybuilding frontier, however, Clomid is commonly referred to as an anti-estrogen. Anti-estrogens like Clomid minimize the effects of estrogen in the body, and this is a desirable property when it comes to preventing catabolism after a steroid cycle.

After a steroid cycle, estrogen becomes the dominant hormone while your testosterone level remains depressed. It will take a while for your body to resume its production of endogenous testosterone and you need to immediately address the issue since elevated estrogen level means the catabolic hormone cortisol is ever present to eat away most of your muscle gains during synthetic steroid intake. Thus, a Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is a must.

For nonmedical purposes, the recommended Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is 50-100mg (equivalent to 1-2 tabs) a day for 4-6 week post cycle therapy. The common Clomid dosage regimen is 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21. Should you want immediate restoration of your testosterone production, you can stack your Clomid dosage with HCG.

/V

juggernaut · 07-30-2009, 10:26 AM

thanks Victor. Much appreciated. Next time, I'll use the clomid with the hcg.

VictorZ06 · 07-30-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

thanks Victor. Much appreciated. Next time, I'll use the clomid with the hcg.

All good. I have to disagree with one of his remarks though, even though he is correct and the method does work.

I've found that running HCG during the cycle to be MUCH more effective come time for recovery. Some guys don't mind getting testicular atrophy for a couple months...I on the other hand do mind. So, I don't run my HCG with Clomid at the end. Just Clomid alone. I stop the HCG the day I begin PCT. And there is no atrophy at any stage....unlike the method posted above.

/V

**dg806** · 07-31-2009, 09:08 AM

Clomid has sides............I would go with Nolva or torem

VictorZ06 · 07-31-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Clomid has sides............I would go with Nolva or torem

Nolva has more sides in terms of having the rebound effect and post cycle acne....and that's why I avoid nolva like the plague. Nolva is significantly stronger than clomid. They all have sides bro...Clomid can make you feel like a little bitch, in other words...you can become very sensitive, emotionally.

/V

**dg806** · 07-31-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Clomid can make you feel like a little bitch, in other words...you can become very sensitive, emotionally.

/V

yes and also eye sight problems. Toremifine is my pick

largepkg · 07-31-2009, 03:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the half life of E is 10.5 days. I see no reason to start clomid or nolva prior to this. Personally I always start nolva 14 days after last injection. You only need it once plasma levels have dropped to average to low levels.

Why start sooner?

I also agree with nolva over clomid. I tried clomid once and I swear I felt weepy.

BigPapaPump68 · 07-31-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by largepkg

I'm pretty sure the half life of E is 10.5 days. I see no reason to start clomid or nolva prior to this. Personally I always start nolva 14 days after last injection. You only need it once plasma levels have dropped to average to low levels.

Why start sooner?

I also agree with nolva over clomid. I tried clomid once and I swear I felt weepy.

I also like nolva over clomid, it does have its sides, thats for sure

juggernaut · 07-31-2009, 07:07 PM

Now that I think about it, I got gyno after the mdrol and just now realized that I used Nolva which might be the reason why I got it in the first place. Problem solved. Clomid it is.

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07-29-2009, 07:45 PM	#32
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I'm about to start my cycle, and was researching clomid (my PCT of choice). If test e has a half life of about 6 days, should I wait for six days to pass to start using clomid, or should I start on the day of the final injection? I'm getting conflicting reports that it doesnt matter if youre early, but it matters a lot if you are late. Also, I was thinking of also using nolva at 40mg a day for 4 weeks with the clomid. Sound ok, or is this overkill since they are both SERMS?

07-29-2009, 08:25 PM	#33
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	You don't need both nolva and clomid, your cycle is not that heavy. Clomid alone will work just fine in your case, even though many guys run both clomid and nolva together. And you are correct, start taking your clomid about a week after your last shot. Good luck bro! /V

07-30-2009, 12:57 AM	#34
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	I would start clomid 14 days after last shot! Its ok to start early but it means you will be running it longer which I dont think is necersary.

07-30-2009, 06:13 AM	#35
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	is it okay if I start in the middle of these two numbers-like say about ten days after? Also, should I front load with 300mg on the first day?

07-30-2009, 08:54 AM	#38
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Clomid dosage after steroids A Clomid dosage after your steroid cycle is necessary for you to avoid a post-cycle crash. Clomid is a prescription drug that is advised for women to induce ovulation. In much simpler terms, Clomid is classified as a fertility drug. In the bodybuilding frontier, however, Clomid is commonly referred to as an anti-estrogen. Anti-estrogens like Clomid minimize the effects of estrogen in the body, and this is a desirable property when it comes to preventing catabolism after a steroid cycle. After a steroid cycle, estrogen becomes the dominant hormone while your testosterone level remains depressed. It will take a while for your body to resume its production of endogenous testosterone and you need to immediately address the issue since elevated estrogen level means the catabolic hormone cortisol is ever present to eat away most of your muscle gains during synthetic steroid intake. Thus, a Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is a must. For nonmedical purposes, the recommended Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is 50-100mg (equivalent to 1-2 tabs) a day for 4-6 week post cycle therapy. The common Clomid dosage regimen is 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21. Should you want immediate restoration of your testosterone production, you can stack your Clomid dosage with HCG. /V

07-30-2009, 10:26 AM	#39
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	thanks Victor. Much appreciated. Next time, I'll use the clomid with the hcg.

07-31-2009, 03:21 PM	#44
largepkg FAT JESUS Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: S FLA Posts: 3,690 Photos: 2	I'm pretty sure the half life of E is 10.5 days. I see no reason to start clomid or nolva prior to this. Personally I always start nolva 14 days after last injection. You only need it once plasma levels have dropped to average to low levels. Why start sooner? I also agree with nolva over clomid. I tried clomid once and I swear I felt weepy.

07-31-2009, 07:07 PM	#46
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Now that I think about it, I got gyno after the mdrol and just now realized that I used Nolva which might be the reason why I got it in the first place. Problem solved. Clomid it is.