juggernaut

Which is better or is there no difference between test cyp and/or test enth? I know they require two shots a week, but is that all there is to it? Chemically, I understand, but I'm looking at person flavor if you will.

Since I now know that I am susceptible to prolactin gyno, should I use an AI while on?Or maybe a low dose of letrozole or aromasin throughout the entire cycle and ending off with nolva or clomid at the end.

Another idea I had was to continue to get a shot of test at 200mg after my first cycle is over, since I am 42 (eckkk) and considering HRT. What are your thoughts?

VictorZ06

Cyp or Enan, it's about the same. Just slightly different half lives. More HRT docs prescribe cyp. for some reason. You wouldn't tell the difference at the end of the day, IMHO.

Letro is too strong, that's a last resort. You can take a low dose of nolva ed, or perhaps some adex even some proviron.

I would not continue to take test after your cycle, 200mg is still enough to shut you down.

/V

juggernaut

Kind of figured that with the two.

As for nolva, it did shit for me when I followed up on my mdrol cycle. So I'm kind of leery about it; of course, it was a research chem that couldve been shit. Not too sure. Just thinking about using adex and proviron. Any dose recommendations for proviron? And are you referring to nolva as a PCT? I was considering using Dave Palumbos recommendations:

POST CYCLE THERAPY

Whenever one considers stopping an anabolic steroid cycle, it is extremely important to wean yourself off of the drugs very slowly. For instance, if someone were taking 1000mg of sustanon per week, they would not want to just abruptly stop taking everything. The problem with just “stopping” a cycle, while taking such a high dosage of steroids, is that you may suffer the very unfortunate fate of “crashing”. In bodybuilding circles, when we talk of “crashing” we are referring to the situation whereby the user abruptly stops taking any exogenous anabolic steroids yet they also have no endogenous (natural) production of testosterone (due to the temporary shutdown
of their pituitary gland from all the aromatizing steroids the user is taking). Usually it takes approximately 2-3 weeks for natural testosterone to start being produced. It is during this 2-3 week period that the user is extremely vulnerable to viruses (caused by a suppressed immune system), low sex drive (caused by a low testosterone level), and worst of all, lean muscle losses (also caused
by low testosterone levels). How can we prevent this “crash” of the endogenous hormonal systems from occurring? First off, in the first week, it is a really smart idea to slowly lower the amounts of all injected anabolic steroids (bring injected testosterone levels immediately down to 500mg per week). Secondly (week 2), go off all oral compounds and stop all injected anabolics (with the exception of long-acting injected testosterones—keep them at 500mg per week). It is a good idea to
stay on long acting testosterones (such as testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate) as opposed to short acting ones (such as testosterone propionate or testosterone phenylpropionate) because the long duration esters will slowly leave the bloodstream over the course
of 3-4 weeks (therefore, there will always be some hormone present) during which time the user’s body will have a chance to start producing endogenous testosterone. Thirdly (around week 4), following the last dose of injected
testosterone, the user should start a 2 week course of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Every second day, the user should inject 2000 IU’s of HCG. HCG is a hormone that mimics the effects of the pituitary hormone Luteining Hormone (LH). LH, in men, stimulates
the leydig cells of the testicles to produce testosterone (this will effectively “kickstart” the inactive testes).
Lastly (around week 6), Clomid (clomiphene citrate) should be administered orally at a dose of 50mg two times per day (for 2 weeks). Clomid is a synthetic estrogen that, in men, can perform two functions: a) Clomid antagonizes estrogen receptors (somewhat
inhibiting the estrogenic side effects of aromatizing anabolic steroids).b) Clomid mimics the effects of the hypothalamic hormone Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GRH). In humans, GRH stimulates the pituitary gland to produce LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). This final role of Clomid, then, is to help awaken the pituitary gland that has been suppressed from the heavy anabolic steroid cycle
that was just recently ceased. Once the last Clomid pill has been swallowed, it is time to allow
the body to restore its natural endogenous hormonal system to normal. This restoration may take upwards of 2-4 weeks. I suggest staying off all synthetic anabolic steroids for at least 6-8 weeks following the ingestion of the last Clomid pill. This “break” should give your liver cells adequate time to detoxify themselves and your muscle cell receptors enough time to, once again, become receptive to anabolic stimuli.

SUMMARY:
- HCG: 2000mg every second day for two weeks
- Clomid: (start 2 weeks after conclusion of cycle) 50mg two times per day for two weeks
- Aromatase Inhibitor: Arimidex (.5mg every other day) or TESTOSTOLYZE (5 pills every day)

juggernaut

Ok, it looks like I will do a cycle similar to this:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
25mgx2 a day of proviron for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 50mg twice daily for the final two weeks.
Then time on/time off
I'm concerned about prolactin gyno, but I think I have everything covered.

Am I missing anything?

Shadowcam

I think arimidex is a better option than proviron, thats if you dont like Nolv.

You need to start clomid 14 days after last shot of test.

juggernaut

So,
250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
0.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 50mg twice daily for two weeks after that last shot.

Sound right?

Shadowcam

If you mean "clomid at end of last injection" as 14 days after last injection then yes all looks good.

Shadowcam

you may want to consider running the adex all the way through your cycle and PCT and run it for an additional 2 weeks after your PCT if you are prone to gyno.

juggernaut

I was actually thinking of that, but wont that interact with the clomid, or should I use that in place of it?

VictorZ06

Exactly what Shadow said, start PCT 2 weeks after your last shot. If you were using a test with a shorter ester, you could begin sooner. Not with test E or C though.

Personally, I run adex and proviron along side of each other, running them both all the way through. I'm a huge fan of proviron and it really helps spike my libido. It's not 100% needed, but it does help release more test and is a decent tool to use to combat gyno.

Clomid dose. 50mg ed is not enough, IMHO. Start high with 150-200mg and work your way down. 150/100/100/50 or 200/100/50/50. Something along those lines. Good luck.

/V

jchappj

Were you going to add or skip the HCG?

Peace!

juggernaut

I'm skipping the HCG. I dont really know much about it. I'm probably going to just run the adex and the clomid at a higher dose afterwards.

So here's how I stand:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 150/100/100/50mg for four weeks after that last shot.

Now onto actual training. Going to do high volume workout 3 on, 1 off, 3 on. Cardio four times a week and really elevate my protein to about 1.5g of bodyweight a day, with a staggered carb intake-or might do a UD2 bulk.

jchappj

Just my opinion but you should do some further research on the hcg. Highly recommended.
Adex at 0.5 ed should be more than enough. Again, just my opinion, but 1mg ed is too much.

Peace!

juggernaut

I'm having a problem sticking myself in the ass with two shots and the hcg would add another? I'm really not feeling you on that, but I did research HCG after I posted my last answer...truthfully? I cant see using peepee as a side for freeing and raising testosterone. Doesnt sound very appealing. nor does the actual mixing of the compound. I'd be too nervous and think I'd grow a third tit or some crazy shit.

juggernaut

I will take your advice on the adex at 0.5mg a day however.

VictorZ06

Don't skip it because you don't know much about it. Read up!

Don't look at HCG as another IM injection of AAS. It's taken sub-q and it's the easiest thing in the world to do. MUCH easier than shooting AAS into a muscle.

Bottom line with HCG is this:

If you do not use it, you balls will shrink to the size of raisins and they will only go back to normal after you completed a proper PCT.

In my case, having tiny balls isn't all that much fun...and yes, the ladies will notice. But, if you don't care about the size of your balls and don't care how long/hard your PCT is going to be, drop the HCG.

But IMHO, I like to have my balls at normal size the entire time and I like to have fast recoveries. The compound is a sinch to mix and use. I strongly suggest you take the advice given to you.

/V

juggernaut

for argument's sake, small balls on me would look funny. Point taken.
Second, I just don't like another needle in my ass-or can I put it elsewhere?

VictorZ06

HCG is taken via sub-q, anywhere there is fatty tissue. Most take it on the sides of ones belly button (aprox 2-4" away). It's taken the same way a diabetic takes insulin.

/V

juggernaut

fuck-the thought of that freaked me!

jchappj

Skip the ass shots, too hard to do. Use quads and delts. That gives you four different locations. Rotate each time you pin. 23 x 1".
Use a slin pin 0.5ml 5/8" for the hcg. 300 iu every 4 days. As Vic said a couple inches from your navel.

Peace!

juggernaut

I read that there are more problems with quad shots than anything else. They also hurt like fuck if done wrong-of course thats probably with any shot I would imagine.
I understand the challenge with the ass shot, especially trying to pull back on the plunger when your recessive side is shot and not much coordination is possible. I tried it yesterday with a b12 shot-someone told me to practice and this will get me used to it. It was tough.

Shadowcam

You do need to rotate injection sites to prevent the build up of scar tissue.

Glutes are the most popular injection sites as there is less chance of spiking veins or nerves and the muscle can hold more oil than other smaller muscles. They can become awkward when your carrying decent size though.

My favourites injection spot is quads but many people have problems spiking nerves in that area. Everyones different.

Alumni

Great info on the HCG z06, So that would be good to add to any cycle I take it, and I assume it goes right into your main cycle not your PCT...I appologize If i am thread jacking but you guys got some great info going.

-Respect

Shadowcam

Some people run HCG low dose right through there cycle untill they start PCT ie clomid or Nolv. This basically keeps the testes full and helps recovery.

Others run it a couple of weeks before PCT at a higher dose to kickstart the testes so to speak and of course help recovery also. I prefer this method.

VictorZ06

What Shadow said is correct, those are the two main ways to use HCG.

I prefer the first method, using it throughout the cycle. I prefer this method because the testis don't atrophy at all (unlike the second method). If you don't use it during the cycle and wait until the end, you will show signs of testicular atrophy. And to some, that can be bothersome. But, after the cycle and PCT are over, they will go back to their original size.

/V

juggernaut

with a test only cycle, factoring in a high volume workout, any ideas on how much LBM I can obtain from a ten week cycle?

VictorZ06

Could be 5 lbs., could be 20 lbs. All depends on your diet and program as well as your PCT. We all differ.

/V

Pirate!

That mostly depends on diet. Likely double digit.

My 1-Andro RX Journal

juggernaut

sounds good. I am usually spot-on with my diet and training. I've contemplated it for several days now-just a bit apprehensive with the needles. I dont care about the moral decision, I got over that in about 5 minutes; besides US laws are fucking ridiculous. Its crazy, you get to buy needles at the local pharmacy, without a prescription, but they ban steroids because they are dangerous. Just fucking stupid.
It's like honoring a guy who feels up little kids who just died. Oh wait that really did happen.

juggernaut

Here's a kind of stupid question:

Do I need to "reboot" my test levels after using Adex for a prolonged period of time? Will an OTC test booster work, or does it automatically do this after cessation?