Cycle for recovering from broken leg??

MEATYCOL · 07-01-2009, 05:08 AM

Hi everyone can anyone reccomend a cycle for me I previosly weighed 210lbs and am 5 7" i have been training for 12 yrs and only used 1test & mag 10 a couple of times a few years ago .Anyway i snapped my femur in 2 while snowboarding and and have had a pin put in my leg ,due to a few complications i ended up losing about 45lbs of mostly muscle im gutted plus i can barlley lift 2ls on the leg ext as the cut away muscle in the op.

I WAS GOING TO RUN SUST & DECA FOR TEN WEEKS AS I HEAR DECA IS GOOD FOR INJURIES AND WASTED MUSCLE AND THE SUST SHOULD KEEP MY TEST UP BUT I AM A NEWBIE TO THIS SIDE OF TRAINING AND WOULD APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS TO HELP ME GET BACK TO WHERE I WAS

THANKS A MILL

COL

VictorZ06 · 07-01-2009, 07:11 AM

If a clean diet doesn't work, Test E, deca, and HGH sound like a good recipe, IMHO. I would work with a personal trainer to make sure you don't mess anything up. Both the deca and HGH will help with your injuries. Good luck.

/V

**Pirate!** · 07-01-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEATYCOL

can barlley lift 2ls on the leg ext as the cut away muscle in the op.

It may not be wise to do a cycle. Sounds like you still need rehabilitation.

**Built** · 07-01-2009, 02:12 PM

There is clinical research to support the use of nandrolone to enhance tissue remodelling: http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/4/934.abstract

This sounds like a very good idea to me. I wish this was something that was part of standard clinical practice for injury rehabilitation.

My .02 on this fine Canada Day.

juggernaut · 07-01-2009, 03:42 PM

Tissue remodeling? Never heard of that. Could it work on a knee with a lesser degree of synovial fluid in the left knee?

**Built** · 07-01-2009, 05:29 PM

Dunno. Nandrolone is known for making your joints feel good.

Shadowcam · 07-01-2009, 11:39 PM

I would not recommend using anabolics while you are still in rehab.

Training needs to be hard and heavy aiming to increase strength while on a cycle to get the benefits from AAS which your not in a position to do.

I would wait untill your fully recovered before you do a cycle otherwise you may do some damage. Not a good idea to rush things when recovering from an injury like yours.

**Built** · 07-02-2009, 02:00 AM

Why not use it to rehab the injury? Surely it will heal more quickly.

MEATYCOL · 07-02-2009, 05:07 AM

Thanks for all your advice guys it is much appreciated its a month to the day since my accident and I am back in the gym, i can walk a bit better now and my leg is now weight bearing just real weak.
I can still train hard and heavy so would be confident that i could get good gains from the aas the only thing i cant do are squats or deadlift (I know normally staples!).
I

was hoping that the deca might help recuperate the muscles in my leg a bit quicker
i would still get gains of it from using what i used to consider a light weight as the muscles are now so weak that the light weight would cause the same amount of microtrauma to the fibres as a heavier one would have before my accident thus stimulating growth no???

thanks again for all your advice this is the first time i have ever used a forum and you guys rock
Col

nkira · 07-02-2009, 07:27 AM

nkira · 07-02-2009, 07:38 AM

There are many clinical researches which show that Nandrolone does help in faster healing of bones & muscle tissue,

Anabolic Steroids Blog - iSteroids . com » steroid nandrolone decoanate

Muscular Development Online Magazine - In Praise of Nandrolone

The Effect of Nandrolone Decanoate on Bone Mineral Density, Muscle Mass, and Hemoglobin Levels in Elderly Women With Osteoporosis: A Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial -- Frisoli et al. 60 (5): 648 -- Journals of Gerontology

Nandrolone :: pharmacology

BiomedExperts: Effects of nandrolone decanoate therapy on bone mass and calcium metabolism in women with established post-menopausal osteoporosis: a double-blind placebo-controlled study.

Laurabolin (nandrolone laurate) - Anabolic Steroid

Steroid's were ACTUALLY developed for their pharmaceutical value.

nkira · 07-02-2009, 07:42 AM

Nandrolone, it seems does help with synovial fluid,

Joint Matrix Protocols - Rehabilitating Soft Tissue and Joints with Growth Hormone, Nandrolone, Glucosamine, and Chondroitin (Chemical Muscle #12)

Print This Article : Deca Durabolin (nandrolone decanoate) steroid for sport

I tried pubmed, no luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Tissue remodeling? Never heard of that. Could it work on a knee with a lesser degree of synovial fluid in the left knee?

juggernaut · 07-02-2009, 07:54 AM

nice job nk

nkira · 07-02-2009, 08:13 AM

From our own forum,

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

Deca will cause you to hold water and some bloat is to be expected. It is well known for being able to help sore/dry joint because it lubricates the joints. It stores a lot of water (as synovial fluid) in the joints, which eases the impact of the heavy weights.

nkira · 07-02-2009, 08:24 AM

"The problem is that when you come off it you lose the synovial effect and your joints become "dry" and quite irritated/inflamed. "

Quoted from, Equipoise - Page 2 - AbsoluteBodybuilding.com - Bodybuilding Canada * Nutritional Supplements Canada * Powerlifting Canada *

VictorZ06 · 07-02-2009, 08:52 AM

In Europe, I know deca is prescribed to old ladies who fell and broke their hip. I've also seen it prescribed to burn victims. And as far as HGH goes, that will speed up recovery time. Buddy of mine tore his RC, doc gave him 6-8 months to recover. Come month 4, he was at 100%. Good luck.

/V

nkira · 07-02-2009, 08:59 AM

Yes it does,

Effects of protein-rich supplementation and nandro...[Clin Nutr. 2007] - PubMed Result

While the body will do this naturally based on exercise and food consumption, steroids send the process into overdrive, thus faster healing too.

VictorZ06 · 07-02-2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

Yes it does,

Effects of protein-rich supplementation and nandro...[Clin Nutr. 2007] - PubMed Result

While the body will do this naturally based on exercise and food consumption, steroids send the process into overdrive, thus faster healing too.

Good read. Whenever I would tell people that deca helps older women with broken/fractured hips, they wave the BS flag at me. This one is going in my archive for references. Thanks!

/V

**Mudge** · 07-02-2009, 10:24 AM

Vitamin C helps recovery as well (its used all over the body for repairs).

Shadowcam · 07-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Why not use it to rehab the injury? Surely it will heal more quickly.

I think common sense is a better option to rehab a injury! not steroids.

**Built** · 07-04-2009, 11:54 PM

Um, hang on here.

Nobody's suggesting blowing off rehab.

Kindly re-read my post.

Shadowcam · 07-05-2009, 12:01 AM

If you want a anti inflammatary use naprosin. That will not shut you down like Deca.

Shadowcam · 07-05-2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEATYCOL

Thanks for all your advice guys it is much appreciated its a month to the day since my accident and I am back in the gym, i can walk a bit better now and my leg is now weight bearing just real weak.
I can still train hard and heavy so would be confident that i could get good gains from the aas the only thing i cant do are squats or deadlift (I know normally staples!).
I

was hoping that the deca might help recuperate the muscles in my leg a bit quicker
i would still get gains of it from using what i used to consider a light weight as the muscles are now so weak that the light weight would cause the same amount of microtrauma to the fibres as a heavier one would have before my accident thus stimulating growth no???

thanks again for all your advice this is the first time i have ever used a forum and you guys rock
Col

Of course! but that can be done without enhancers and it would be safer to let your body heal and rebuild at a natural steady pace.

From what I understand you are at a level of muscle mass that you have already exceeded previously so you can very easily regain your previous size naturally so there is no need for enhancers at this point in time.

Deca does have a anti inflammitary effect on the joints and is great when on a cycle when the stress on the joints have increased due to lifting heavier weights than the body can handle naturally. Problem is when you come off, it has the opposite effect therefore makes the body more vunrable to injury.

I would only ever advise using enhancers to get past what can be achieved naturally otherwise the body has a hard time keeping gains recieved from AAS and promotes chance of catobolism and injuries. Better off climbing the hill at a steady pace than running up then tumbling back down.

nkira · 07-05-2009, 02:05 AM

Yes, but that won't help with healing either....he's not looking to mask the pain he is looking for something that will aid recovery.

Shadowcam · 07-05-2009, 03:20 AM

Never said anything about masking the pain. What won't help healing???? taking things slowly at a natural pace.

Its worked wonders for me when Ive had injuries and Im certain thats what any doctor would recommend also.

nkira · 07-05-2009, 03:53 AM

Actually I was writing the reply but in between you posted by quoting MEATYCOL,

MEATYCOL specifically asked about riod that's why we went ahead with suggesting riod's.......if he would have asked about pain & inflammation then we would have discussed along those line.....

Shadowcam · 07-05-2009, 04:13 AM

That makes no sense!

Just because somebody asks a question about a specific substance for a particular purpose, it does not mean that that substance is the best option and evrything else should be disregarded.

Thats like somebody asking for advise on using Dbol for a cutting cycle when getting ready for a contest. Should we advice the best way to use Dbol for cutting or should we advice to use winstrol or Var as a better option.

The point I was trying to make was, if somebody needs a anti inflammatary during rehabilitation then why not take a drug like naprozin rather than a steroid that can only be taken in a limited period and will require a PCT.

**Built** · 07-05-2009, 04:42 AM

Because NSAIDs carry a host of side effects and do nothing to help heal the underlying condition - in fact, they do the opposite: NSAIDs interfere with bone remodeling during the healing process:
<link>
"Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs continue to be prescribed as analgesics for patients with healing fractures even though these drugs diminish bone formation, healing, and remodeling. Inhibition of bone formation can be clinically useful in preventing heterotopic ossification in selected clinical situations. In this regard, naproxen may be more efficacious than the traditional indomethacin, and short-term administration is as effective as long-term. When fracture healing or spine fusion is desired, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs should be avoided."

Nandrolone aids in tissue remodelling while it reduces inflammation. In short, it not only masks pain, but promotes muscle and bone growth - important considerations while healing an injury. I wish my husband had been given nandrolone when he was healing a leg fracture five years ago. It would have healed faster, and his leg might not have wasted while he was healing. Nandrolone can work to improve the outcome of physiotherapy - so you get back to your regularly-scheduled life more quickly.

<shrugs>

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

nkira · 07-05-2009, 04:57 AM

COX-2 selective NSAID decreases bone ingrowth in v...[J Orthop Res. 2002] - PubMed Result

Naproxen specific study.

"Naproxen sodium in the drinking water and oral Rofecoxib decreased bone ingrowth significantly (15.9 +/- 3.3%. p = 0.031 and 18.5 +/- 2+/-4%, p = 0.035 compared to drinking water respectively). Both Naproxen sodium (p = 0.026) and Rofecoxib (p = 0.02) decreased the number of CD51 positive osteoclast-like cells per section compared with drinking water alone. Rofecoxib decreased the area of osteoblasts per section area (p = 0.014) compared to controls, although the value for Naproxen sodium did not reach statistical significance. The results of the present study suggest that bone formation is suppressed by oral administration of an NSAID which contains a COX-2 inhibitor. COX-2 inhibitors currently taken for arthritis and other conditions may potentially delay fracture healing and bone ingrowth."

Naproxen & other NSAID's works by inhibiting both the COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes thus interfering with bone healing.

<Hugs Pubmed>

juggernaut · 07-05-2009, 01:23 PM

hmmm interesting. I love my NSAIDS too!

07-01-2009, 02:12 PM	#4
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	There is clinical research to support the use of nandrolone to enhance tissue remodelling: http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/4/934.abstract This sounds like a very good idea to me. I wish this was something that was part of standard clinical practice for injury rehabilitation. My .02 on this fine Canada Day. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-01-2009, 05:29 PM	#6
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	Dunno. Nandrolone is known for making your joints feel good. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-02-2009, 02:00 AM	#8
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	Why not use it to rehab the injury? Surely it will heal more quickly. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-02-2009, 05:07 AM	#9
MEATYCOL Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SCOTLAND Posts: 4	back to training Thanks for all your advice guys it is much appreciated its a month to the day since my accident and I am back in the gym, i can walk a bit better now and my leg is now weight bearing just real weak. I can still train hard and heavy so would be confident that i could get good gains from the aas the only thing i cant do are squats or deadlift (I know normally staples!). I was hoping that the deca might help recuperate the muscles in my leg a bit quicker i would still get gains of it from using what i used to consider a light weight as the muscles are now so weak that the light weight would cause the same amount of microtrauma to the fibres as a heavier one would have before my accident thus stimulating growth no??? thanks again for all your advice this is the first time i have ever used a forum and you guys rock Col

07-02-2009, 10:24 AM	#19
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Vitamin C helps recovery as well (its used all over the body for repairs). Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

07-01-2009, 05:08 AM	#1
MEATYCOL Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SCOTLAND Posts: 4	Cycle for recovering from broken leg?? Hi everyone can anyone reccomend a cycle for me I previosly weighed 210lbs and am 5 7" i have been training for 12 yrs and only used 1test & mag 10 a couple of times a few years ago .Anyway i snapped my femur in 2 while snowboarding and and have had a pin put in my leg ,due to a few complications i ended up losing about 45lbs of mostly muscle im gutted plus i can barlley lift 2ls on the leg ext as the cut away muscle in the op. I WAS GOING TO RUN SUST & DECA FOR TEN WEEKS AS I HEAR DECA IS GOOD FOR INJURIES AND WASTED MUSCLE AND THE SUST SHOULD KEEP MY TEST UP BUT I AM A NEWBIE TO THIS SIDE OF TRAINING AND WOULD APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS TO HELP ME GET BACK TO WHERE I WAS THANKS A MILL COL

07-01-2009, 07:11 AM	#2
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 470	If a clean diet doesn't work, Test E, deca, and HGH sound like a good recipe, IMHO. I would work with a personal trainer to make sure you don't mess anything up. Both the deca and HGH will help with your injuries. Good luck. /V

07-01-2009, 03:42 PM	#5
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Tissue remodeling? Never heard of that. Could it work on a knee with a lesser degree of synovial fluid in the left knee?

07-01-2009, 11:39 PM	#7
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 499	I would not recommend using anabolics while you are still in rehab. Training needs to be hard and heavy aiming to increase strength while on a cycle to get the benefits from AAS which your not in a position to do. I would wait untill your fully recovered before you do a cycle otherwise you may do some damage. Not a good idea to rush things when recovering from an injury like yours.

07-02-2009, 07:54 AM	#13
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	nice job nk

07-02-2009, 08:52 AM	#16
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 470	In Europe, I know deca is prescribed to old ladies who fell and broke their hip. I've also seen it prescribed to burn victims. And as far as HGH goes, that will speed up recovery time. Buddy of mine tore his RC, doc gave him 6-8 months to recover. Come month 4, he was at 100%. Good luck. /V

07-04-2009, 11:54 PM	#21
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	Um, hang on here. Nobody's suggesting blowing off rehab. Kindly re-read my post. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-05-2009, 12:01 AM	#22
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 499	If you want a anti inflammatary use naprosin. That will not shut you down like Deca.

07-05-2009, 03:20 AM	#25
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 499	Never said anything about masking the pain. What won't help healing???? taking things slowly at a natural pace. Its worked wonders for me when Ive had injuries and Im certain thats what any doctor would recommend also.

07-05-2009, 04:13 AM	#27
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 499	That makes no sense! Just because somebody asks a question about a specific substance for a particular purpose, it does not mean that that substance is the best option and evrything else should be disregarded. Thats like somebody asking for advise on using Dbol for a cutting cycle when getting ready for a contest. Should we advice the best way to use Dbol for cutting or should we advice to use winstrol or Var as a better option. The point I was trying to make was, if somebody needs a anti inflammatary during rehabilitation then why not take a drug like naprozin rather than a steroid that can only be taken in a limited period and will require a PCT.

07-05-2009, 04:42 AM	#28
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	Because NSAIDs carry a host of side effects and do nothing to help heal the underlying condition - in fact, they do the opposite: NSAIDs interfere with bone remodeling during the healing process: <link> "Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs continue to be prescribed as analgesics for patients with healing fractures even though these drugs diminish bone formation, healing, and remodeling. Inhibition of bone formation can be clinically useful in preventing heterotopic ossification in selected clinical situations. In this regard, naproxen may be more efficacious than the traditional indomethacin, and short-term administration is as effective as long-term. When fracture healing or spine fusion is desired, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs should be avoided." Nandrolone aids in tissue remodelling while it reduces inflammation. In short, it not only masks pain, but promotes muscle and bone growth - important considerations while healing an injury. I wish my husband had been given nandrolone when he was healing a leg fracture five years ago. It would have healed faster, and his leg might not have wasted while he was healing. Nandrolone can work to improve the outcome of physiotherapy - so you get back to your regularly-scheduled life more quickly. <shrugs> Seems like a no-brainer to me. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-05-2009, 01:23 PM	#30
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	hmmm interesting. I love my NSAIDS too!

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