Clenbuterol Questions

lionheart52 · 07-05-2009, 08:10 PM

Have a few questions about clenbuterol........

What type of cardio works best?-long duration low intensity, high intensity interval cardio etc......

ive heard high intensity cardio is dangerous due to clenbuterol increasing blood pressure and heart rate...is this true?

due to the potency of clenbuterol and similar thermogenic drugs, can u consume a maintenance calorie diet and still lose fat or does the negative calories diet rule for fat loss still apply?

Can u stack with pro-hormones or AAS and still see fat loss and lean muscle gains at the same time?

will a personal blood pressure machine surffice or should i see a doctor while on clenbuterol?
How do you go about telling your doctor that u are on an illegal drug?

21yrs old, 220lbs, 5'10"
have trouble losing stubborn mid-section fat put on after mass cycles
have lost fat with cardio and good diet previously but subborn fat still remains
weight train 5 times a week
cardio 3 times a week

Thank You for your time!!!

**Built** · 07-05-2009, 08:16 PM

Are you losing weight currently?

lionheart52 · 07-05-2009, 08:22 PM

i am currently coming to the end of a mass cycle in which i have gained alot of weight but alot in the form of fat...

**Built** · 07-05-2009, 09:02 PM

Right, but are you dieting now? Are you losing weight yet?

lionheart52 · 07-05-2009, 09:26 PM

sorry, no im not dieting now or losing weight....

**Built** · 07-05-2009, 09:39 PM

So why do you want to use clen? You're not even dieting yet. It won't get the fat off you if you're not dieting. It doesn't work that way.

lionheart52 · 07-06-2009, 04:54 AM

As i said before i am coming off a mass cycle. i am planning a cutting cycle with clen but wanted the questions above answered before i jump into it.

so the dieting and use of clen will start in a week or two....just wanted to get more info first.

**Built** · 07-06-2009, 10:28 AM

I've heard mixed-reviews on clen. Some swear by it, some say, "meh, no better than EC".

Get your diet ticking along first. What macros are you running, and what will you run to cut?

lionheart52 · 07-06-2009, 11:59 AM

my current mass cycle:
250g protein
300g carbs
90g fat
Approx 3900 calories

to cut:
215g protein
250g carbs
50g fat
Approx 2300-2400 calories
and cycle clen

u think that works out?

**Built** · 07-06-2009, 01:37 PM

I'd probably increase the fats to 100g at the very least while cutting, and leave the protein at 250g. Your need for protein while cutting increases as you wish to remain nitrogen-positive while under the oxidative stress of slowly starving.

Carbohydrate is less important. What little you consume, target to the meals before and or after you lift.

lionheart52 · 07-07-2009, 07:25 AM

why so much fat?

at least my cutting cycle will have more structure now.....thanks built

u think i should just try clen or get the diet on track for a few weeks first?

any more info on clen people?

thanks for ur help!

**Built** · 07-07-2009, 11:43 AM

Fat is satiating. You'll feel better - you may find it easier to diet on higher fat than on lower fat. At least keep your fats at around a half a gram per pound LBM. Most people find this a reasonable ballpark to hit. I like mine a lot higher - I'd only be eating about 55-60g of fat if I dosed it at half a gram per pound LBM, but I prefer it a lot higher, 80-120g at least.

If you hit the clen right away, you won't know if your diet is doing it, or the clen. If you get the diet going first, you'll lose weight. Use the clen when you hit a stall.

lionheart52 · 07-07-2009, 06:01 PM

so ill keep my fat intake high then....

is HIIT or long duration cardio better to keep muscle mass?

will deit 1st n then think about clenbuterol!

thanks built

**Built** · 07-07-2009, 06:03 PM

Don't even worry about cardio for now. Go for a walk after your workouts if you like, just let the diet do its job.

lionheart52 · 07-07-2009, 06:30 PM

will do.....i walk home from the gym anyway..

wat about reps n sets?....change to higher reps n more sets while cutting?

by the way has anyone come across clenbuterol 20mcg/tablet by Munster Laboratories (Switzerland)??

m11 · 07-07-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionheart52

wat about reps n sets?....change to higher reps n more sets while cutting?

Nope. Low volume, heavy weight. The simple way of putting it is that you are just trying to convince your body to hold onto the muscle while you 'starve away the fat', as Built would say.

**Pirate!** · 07-07-2009, 08:50 PM

What type of cardio works best?-long duration low intensity, high intensity interval cardio etc......

Low to moderate intensity. Avoid high intensity.

ive heard high intensity cardio is dangerous due to clenbuterol increasing blood pressure and heart rate...is this true?

Possibly. You will be burning fat as rapily as possible at moderate intensity on clen.

due to the potency of clenbuterol and similar thermogenic drugs, can u consume a maintenance calorie diet and still lose fat or does the negative calories diet rule for fat loss still apply?

Caloric deficit

Can u stack with pro-hormones or AAS and still see fat loss and lean muscle gains at the same time?

Yes, just but I don't recommend trying to gain while on clen. It zaps your glycogen, which is bad for recovery and performance.

will a personal blood pressure machine surffice or should i see a doctor while on clenbuterol?
How do you go about telling your doctor that u are on an illegal drug?

No need to see a doctor if you follow a good dosing schedule mixed with self-awareness.

**Built** · 07-07-2009, 10:03 PM

Thanks Pirate. I have no personal experience with clen, and hear very mixed reviews. It sounds like you have used this substance successfully, yes?

**Pirate!** · 07-08-2009, 07:15 AM

Clen works very well as a fat burner for up to two weeks. I've used it successfully, but one must be very carefull with dosing.

lionheart52 · 07-08-2009, 08:44 AM

what dosage do u suggest?.....what do u do after two weeks then?...is this due to beta-receptor down regulation?

ive heard different things such as 2 days on/2 days off or 2-3 weeks straight.....which one is correct or is it personal preference?

again cheers for the help!

TheRhino · 07-09-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionheart52

what dosage do u suggest?.....what do u do after two weeks then?...is this due to beta-receptor down regulation?

ive heard different things such as 2 days on/2 days off or 2-3 weeks straight.....which one is correct or is it personal preference?

again cheers for the help!

first i wanna ask are you used to taking alot of caffeine, or say doing the caf,bronkaid, and asp. combo? clen was a big step for me even though ive done all those combos. ive taking clen now off and on now for two years, not saying this is for everyone but here is my dosages

.25ML week 1. once in the morning once at 4pm
.50ML week 2. once in the morning once at 4pm
then 3-4 weeks off

the first time i took i found out after about 4 weeks of continuous use i getting upping the dose cause i was no longer feeling it, i found out from a friend i was taking WAY too much. so now i know about cycling

now also be prepared to drink a crap ton of water i usually drink on average a gallon a day when using clen i up it too 2 gallons a day, and its not a suggestion its a warning cause if you dont prepare for the worst headaches and the worst muscles cramps you have ever had!

lionheart52 · 07-09-2009, 06:37 PM

thanks TheRhino

nah i havnt taken caffiene or any sort of combo....
is there any sort of supplement to take that will stop the cramps?
Rhino what were your results like and any other side effects?

Pirate wat dosage wud u suggest?

thanks

TheRhino · 07-09-2009, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionheart52

thanks TheRhino

nah i havnt taken caffiene or any sort of combo....
is there any sort of supplement to take that will stop the cramps?
Rhino what were your results like and any other side effects?

Pirate wat dosage wud u suggest?

thanks

potassium, taurine, water water water

honestly the results were pretty good helped with the weight loss, but i didnt notice anything different from taking the bronkaid,aspirin, caffeine combo, and lately ive been thinking about swithcin back to the combo because and i forgot to mention this to ya the trembles you get from it. no matter what dose i take i tremble so much i cant even right my own name.

if you havent taking any caffeine supps or anything like bronkaid then clen might be a big step, just be sure if you go with it make sure you start super low on the dosage to be safe

lionheart52 · 07-12-2009, 06:12 PM

wow didnt know the tremors would b that bad!

so would u guys call this drug dangerous even if low to moderate dosages are taken???

ive read conflicting research on suggested dosages and cycles of clen so it would be appreciated if some experienced bodybuilders/users would shed some light on that......thanks

TheRhino · 07-12-2009, 08:49 PM

Clenbuterol

lionheart52 · 07-13-2009, 05:32 PM

wat sort of training program should i use while on clen in terms of reps, sets, cardio etc....

and wat sort of fat loss in terms of body fat % is normally associated with clen n good diet n training?

sorry if these questions have been answered before....

lionheart52 · 07-15-2009, 06:05 PM

wat sorts of anti-histamines cud i use to stop beta 2 down regulation?

will that result in me being able to take clen continuously for a 6 week peroid?

07-05-2009, 08:10 PM	#1
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	Clenbuterol Questions Have a few questions about clenbuterol........ What type of cardio works best?-long duration low intensity, high intensity interval cardio etc...... ive heard high intensity cardio is dangerous due to clenbuterol increasing blood pressure and heart rate...is this true? due to the potency of clenbuterol and similar thermogenic drugs, can u consume a maintenance calorie diet and still lose fat or does the negative calories diet rule for fat loss still apply? Can u stack with pro-hormones or AAS and still see fat loss and lean muscle gains at the same time? will a personal blood pressure machine surffice or should i see a doctor while on clenbuterol? How do you go about telling your doctor that u are on an illegal drug? 21yrs old, 220lbs, 5'10" have trouble losing stubborn mid-section fat put on after mass cycles have lost fat with cardio and good diet previously but subborn fat still remains weight train 5 times a week cardio 3 times a week Thank You for your time!!!

07-05-2009, 08:16 PM	#2
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Are you losing weight currently? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-05-2009, 09:02 PM	#4
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Right, but are you dieting now? Are you losing weight yet? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-05-2009, 09:39 PM	#6
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	So why do you want to use clen? You're not even dieting yet. It won't get the fat off you if you're not dieting. It doesn't work that way. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-06-2009, 10:28 AM	#8
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	I've heard mixed-reviews on clen. Some swear by it, some say, "meh, no better than EC". Get your diet ticking along first. What macros are you running, and what will you run to cut? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-05-2009, 08:22 PM	#3
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	i am currently coming to the end of a mass cycle in which i have gained alot of weight but alot in the form of fat...

07-05-2009, 09:26 PM	#5
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	sorry, no im not dieting now or losing weight....

07-06-2009, 04:54 AM	#7
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	As i said before i am coming off a mass cycle. i am planning a cutting cycle with clen but wanted the questions above answered before i jump into it. so the dieting and use of clen will start in a week or two....just wanted to get more info first.

07-06-2009, 11:59 AM	#9
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	my current mass cycle: 250g protein 300g carbs 90g fat Approx 3900 calories to cut: 215g protein 250g carbs 50g fat Approx 2300-2400 calories and cycle clen u think that works out?

07-06-2009, 01:37 PM	#10
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	I'd probably increase the fats to 100g at the very least while cutting, and leave the protein at 250g. Your need for protein while cutting increases as you wish to remain nitrogen-positive while under the oxidative stress of slowly starving. Carbohydrate is less important. What little you consume, target to the meals before and or after you lift. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-07-2009, 07:25 AM	#11
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	why so much fat? at least my cutting cycle will have more structure now.....thanks built u think i should just try clen or get the diet on track for a few weeks first? any more info on clen people? thanks for ur help!

07-07-2009, 11:43 AM	#12
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Fat is satiating. You'll feel better - you may find it easier to diet on higher fat than on lower fat. At least keep your fats at around a half a gram per pound LBM. Most people find this a reasonable ballpark to hit. I like mine a lot higher - I'd only be eating about 55-60g of fat if I dosed it at half a gram per pound LBM, but I prefer it a lot higher, 80-120g at least. If you hit the clen right away, you won't know if your diet is doing it, or the clen. If you get the diet going first, you'll lose weight. Use the clen when you hit a stall. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-07-2009, 06:01 PM	#13
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	so ill keep my fat intake high then.... is HIIT or long duration cardio better to keep muscle mass? will deit 1st n then think about clenbuterol! thanks built

07-07-2009, 06:03 PM	#14
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Don't even worry about cardio for now. Go for a walk after your workouts if you like, just let the diet do its job. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-07-2009, 06:30 PM	#15
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	will do.....i walk home from the gym anyway.. wat about reps n sets?....change to higher reps n more sets while cutting? by the way has anyone come across clenbuterol 20mcg/tablet by Munster Laboratories (Switzerland)??

07-07-2009, 08:50 PM	#17
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,173	What type of cardio works best?-long duration low intensity, high intensity interval cardio etc...... Low to moderate intensity. Avoid high intensity. ive heard high intensity cardio is dangerous due to clenbuterol increasing blood pressure and heart rate...is this true? Possibly. You will be burning fat as rapily as possible at moderate intensity on clen. due to the potency of clenbuterol and similar thermogenic drugs, can u consume a maintenance calorie diet and still lose fat or does the negative calories diet rule for fat loss still apply? Caloric deficit Can u stack with pro-hormones or AAS and still see fat loss and lean muscle gains at the same time? Yes, just but I don't recommend trying to gain while on clen. It zaps your glycogen, which is bad for recovery and performance. will a personal blood pressure machine surffice or should i see a doctor while on clenbuterol? How do you go about telling your doctor that u are on an illegal drug? No need to see a doctor if you follow a good dosing schedule mixed with self-awareness. My 1-Andro RX Journal

07-07-2009, 10:03 PM	#18
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Thanks Pirate. I have no personal experience with clen, and hear very mixed reviews. It sounds like you have used this substance successfully, yes? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

07-08-2009, 07:15 AM	#19
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,173	Clen works very well as a fat burner for up to two weeks. I've used it successfully, but one must be very carefull with dosing. My 1-Andro RX Journal

07-08-2009, 08:44 AM	#20
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	what dosage do u suggest?.....what do u do after two weeks then?...is this due to beta-receptor down regulation? ive heard different things such as 2 days on/2 days off or 2-3 weeks straight.....which one is correct or is it personal preference? again cheers for the help!

07-09-2009, 06:37 PM	#22
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	thanks TheRhino nah i havnt taken caffiene or any sort of combo.... is there any sort of supplement to take that will stop the cramps? Rhino what were your results like and any other side effects? Pirate wat dosage wud u suggest? thanks

07-12-2009, 06:12 PM	#24
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	wow didnt know the tremors would b that bad! so would u guys call this drug dangerous even if low to moderate dosages are taken??? ive read conflicting research on suggested dosages and cycles of clen so it would be appreciated if some experienced bodybuilders/users would shed some light on that......thanks

07-12-2009, 08:49 PM	#25
TheRhino Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: washington Posts: 68 Photos: 1	Clenbuterol

07-13-2009, 05:32 PM	#26
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	wat sort of training program should i use while on clen in terms of reps, sets, cardio etc.... and wat sort of fat loss in terms of body fat % is normally associated with clen n good diet n training? sorry if these questions have been answered before....

07-15-2009, 06:05 PM	#27
lionheart52 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: England, West Midlands Posts: 22	wat sorts of anti-histamines cud i use to stop beta 2 down regulation? will that result in me being able to take clen continuously for a 6 week peroid?

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