First cycle suggestions

**njc** · 07-06-2009, 11:14 AM

Hey everyone. Looking for suggestions on what to use for a first cycle. I'm 29, been training for about 10 years and have made some good gains naturally....my profile pic is me but taken immediately after an upper body workout when I was pumped. I know a little about anabolics but defenitely not enough to just start ordering stuff without advice. I was gonna do a Winstrol only oral cycle a while back and you guys convinced me not to. The most important things to me would be the least amount of water and fat gain as possible while cycling along with the highest possible rate of maintanable gains post cycle. I am willing to sacrifice huge gains for a high percentage of post-cycle maintainable mass. I'm open to injectibles. How about PCT? My stats are five foot eleven inches tall and a fairly lean 185 pounds. I'm not sure of bf% but a good self-educated guess would be roughly 12%. Thanks alot for reading a lengthy post and for any advice which you may have.

**juggernaut** · 07-06-2009, 12:51 PM

Starting and keeping it simple would be the way to go. I'm about to start a test-e cycle:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 150/100/100/50mg for four weeks after that last shot.

There are those who say that HCG would be a better idea, but for now, I am going with the above and possibly for another cycle will implement HCG. As I've said, keeping it simple is probably the best route. Be sure you have a training routine highly intensified since you'll repair and grow faster.

**juggernaut** · 07-06-2009, 12:52 PM

I'd also get down to about 10% bf and then start.

**njc** · 07-06-2009, 01:15 PM

Okay thanks for the response. In your opinion are the gains pretty keepable after completion of the cycle. How about sides?

**juggernaut** · 07-06-2009, 01:34 PM

Honestly, this is my first cycle that I am partaking in, and the sides shouldnt be as bad as when using mdrol-which friggin sucked. If you do your homework and research the hell out of it you'll be okay.

I would like to know if you've ever done PHs and quite possibly want to consider doing a cycle or two (or three of PHs) before going through this.

**nkira** · 07-06-2009, 01:42 PM

So much for keeping it "between you and me"...

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Starting and keeping it simple would be the way to go. I'm about to start a test-e cycle:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 150/100/100/50mg for four weeks after that last shot.

There are those who say that HCG would be a better idea, but for now, I am going with the above and possibly for another cycle will implement HCG. As I've said, keeping it simple is probably the best route. Be sure you have a training routine highly intensified since you'll repair and grow faster.

**juggernaut** · 07-06-2009, 01:44 PM

Eh...people need help and dont get the right information sometimes. Good thing a guy we call shithead didnt come in on this. (inside joke, njc)

**nkira** · 07-06-2009, 09:43 PM

I know I know........

**njc** · 07-07-2009, 09:22 AM

Why did you choose against HCG? And no I haven't really considered any PH's....but maybe to kickstart the cycle? Thanks again.

**VictorZ06** · 07-07-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by njc

Why did you choose against HCG? And no I haven't really considered any PH's....but maybe to kickstart the cycle? Thanks again.

I wont ever run a cycle without HCG, and I've probably run more cycles than I have fingers and toes. I've run a few several years back without it, couldn't find my balls half the time they were so small. Not so much fun in the bedroom.

If you want a kickstart, scratch those PHs...get some real dbol. Anadrol is another to consider to kick start, but be careful with it as it's probably the most powerfull compound you can get your hands on. I'd still take drol over those PHs any day.

/V

**juggernaut** · 07-07-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by njc

Why did you choose against HCG? And no I haven't really considered any PH's....but maybe to kickstart the cycle? Thanks again.

start by doing Prince's andro.

I didnt go with HCG because I heard it was necessary and some people said it was, plus I didnt know much about it. I also dont appreciate having to stick a pin my ab fat. I like it just the way it is.

**VictorZ06** · 07-07-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

start by doing Prince's andro.

I didnt go with HCG because I heard it was necessary and some people said it was, plus I didnt know much about it. I also dont appreciate having to stick a pin my ab fat. I like it just the way it is.

Spend 20 minutes reading and you'll know pretty much all there is to know about HCG...at least how it should be used in a cycle.

Well, if anyone asks you if you have the balls to do something...might be hard to be honest. lol And you can take HCG via IM, although sub-q is much preferred because it's so easy.

/V

**juggernaut** · 07-07-2009, 02:55 PM

Like I said, I will be following up with another cycle, and most likely will include HCG. Just that when I got my stuff, I didnt feel confident about knowing what it is. Palumbo's writings educated the shit out of me.

**Shadowcam** · 07-07-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

start by doing Prince's andro.

I didnt go with HCG because I heard it was necessary and some people said it was, plus I didnt know much about it. I also dont appreciate having to stick a pin my ab fat. I like it just the way it is.

Sounds like you really dont like the idea of pinning your ab fat. Sticking a needle deep into a muscle seems worse than sticking a needle a little way in the ab fat.

You should google a video of a diabetic injecting insulin or a lady injecting HCG for a medical purpose. You will be surprised, theres nothing to it.

**juggernaut** · 07-08-2009, 08:10 AM

I already ordered the stuff. Next time.
i googled the shit out of everything-surprisingly, there's a lot of video on how to pin.
Wht's funny is, Artie Lang got pulled off youtube, but this stuff doesnt. WTF?

**njc** · 09-23-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Starting and keeping it simple would be the way to go. I'm about to start a test-e cycle:

250mgx2 test E for 10 weeks
.5-1mg a day of adex for the duration of the cycle starting at the first injection through the course of the cycle.
my PCT will be
Clomid at the end of the last injection, at 150/100/100/50mg for four weeks after that last shot.

There are those who say that HCG would be a better idea, but for now, I am going with the above and possibly for another cycle will implement HCG. As I've said, keeping it simple is probably the best route. Be sure you have a training routine highly intensified since you'll repair and grow faster.

Finally time to order. I need to know how much to order. I'm having a hard time determining how many CC's that this comes out to be exactly....

**njc** · 09-23-2009, 01:43 PM

Nevermind I think I got it. 20cc.

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