diet vs. cycle

zeek · 07-11-2009, 08:08 AM

Ok guys just need your advice on how I am doing here.....

I am taking deca and test for 10-12 weeks:

tues: 200mg Deca, 200mg test cypionate

fri: 200mg Deca, 300mg Test Cypionate

I spend a serious hour in the gym monday thru friday beating up my muscles.
Now the problem is in 2 weeks I have only gained 4lbs. Soooo am I not eating enough here or what.

Daily intake for food is about 4500-5500 calories a day average for this week, Fat average intake 39%
Protein average is 30%
and carbs is 31%

What do you guys think..... work harder in the gym, eat more, what???

VictorZ06 · 07-11-2009, 09:48 AM

No stats = no help.

It's only been two weeks, give it time as deca and cyp take a while to start working.

Post your age, weight, height, AAS experience, diet info (how much is your protein intake like?) and I'm sure we can help you out.

/V

zeek · 07-11-2009, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

No stats = no help.

It's only been two weeks, give it time as deca and cyp take a while to start working.

Post your age, weight, height, AAS experience, diet info (how much is your protein intake like?) and I'm sure we can help you out.

/V

age 32
weight 217lbs
height 6'
protein intake is about 500 grams per day

My first cycle was in high school football... I can not tell you what it was, but I took 2 shots a week for about 8 weeks from our team doctor.... young and dumb, never asked questions....

Now about a month ago I ran 400 of deca and 500 of test e, for about 6 weeks until I ran out (the national news showed why) I was off for 4 weeks and started back up.... probably should have waited longer.

Now I am starting again and have enough for 12 week cycle.

nkira · 07-11-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeek

My first cycle was in high school football... I can not tell you what it was, but I took 2 shots a week for about 8 weeks from our team doctor.... young and dumb, never asked questions....

hog928 · 07-11-2009, 03:09 PM

shitty doc u have there. he may get a few more wins a year but its at other peoples cost id have him arrested lol

Shadowcam · 07-12-2009, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeek

age 32
weight 217lbs
height 6'
protein intake is about 500 grams per day

My first cycle was in high school football... I can not tell you what it was, but I took 2 shots a week for about 8 weeks from our team doctor.... young and dumb, never asked questions....

Now about a month ago I ran 400 of deca and 500 of test e, for about 6 weeks until I ran out (the national news showed why) I was off for 4 weeks and started back up.... probably should have waited longer.

Now I am starting again and have enough for 12 week cycle.

YES you should of!
Whats your bodyfat percentage??

zeek · 07-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hog928

shitty doc u have there. he may get a few more wins a year but its at other peoples cost id have him arrested lol

I guess you don't understand how important football is in my state....lol Thats why we dominated.... who ever said cheaters never win?

Ok now back to the the question on hand....

18%BF
But i have lost weight in my mid section since i had it checked last, this cycle I would like to put on about 20lb of mass the my next cycle I plan to do a cut cycle

VictorZ06 · 07-12-2009, 11:02 AM

Your BF% is too high for AAS right now, IMHO. You want to be in the single digits before you start. In other words, lose half.

/V

zeek · 07-13-2009, 04:27 PM

why does my body fat have to be so low.... I am not looking to be ripped and compete.... i just want to get bigger and stronger

**Gazhole** · 07-13-2009, 05:26 PM

Fat will aromatize testosterone into estrogen due to the presence of aromatase in adipose tissue. Not the ideal situation for a cycle - you want to minimize this to get the most out of your cycle, not to mention cutting out estrogen related side effects.

Or at least thats my understanding of it, i'm not as knowledgable on this subject as the other guys in this thread.

VictorZ06 · 07-13-2009, 05:37 PM

^Because of what Gazhole said.

Your BF is going to get even higher when you are on. Especially because of the deca. I would rather have a nice diet and a nice work out program over steroids, and right now that sounds like what you need. Save your money bro, things will go much better once your BF% is down. Good luck.

/V

**Built** · 07-13-2009, 10:30 PM

In case any of that wasn't clear, allow me to translate:

Boobies.

<curtsies>

The higher your bodyfat, the more of your (expensive, illegal) cycle will aromatize into estrogen.

Also, the higher your bodyfat, the more insulin resistant you will become - and in a surplus, that means you'll partition worse into muscle and get progressively fatter with each pound you gain.

zeek · 07-14-2009, 04:24 AM

okay...now we don't want any of that.....( side effects)

Soo, should i stop right now ( three weeks in ) and start taking my clomid now?

I can bring my BF down in a couple weeks without any problem with my cardio.

I have been reading as much as I could for almost a year, but you guys are sooo full of information, I want to thank you all.

Shadowcam · 07-15-2009, 12:21 AM

Its going to take longer than a couple of weeks if your about 18% BF.

07-11-2009, 08:08 AM	#1
zeek Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On lake erie Posts: 31	diet vs. cycle Ok guys just need your advice on how I am doing here..... I am taking deca and test for 10-12 weeks: tues: 200mg Deca, 200mg test cypionate fri: 200mg Deca, 300mg Test Cypionate I spend a serious hour in the gym monday thru friday beating up my muscles. Now the problem is in 2 weeks I have only gained 4lbs. Soooo am I not eating enough here or what. Daily intake for food is about 4500-5500 calories a day average for this week, Fat average intake 39% Protein average is 30% and carbs is 31% What do you guys think..... work harder in the gym, eat more, what???

07-13-2009, 05:26 PM	#10
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 8,002 Photos: 19	Fat will aromatize testosterone into estrogen due to the presence of aromatase in adipose tissue. Not the ideal situation for a cycle - you want to minimize this to get the most out of your cycle, not to mention cutting out estrogen related side effects. Or at least thats my understanding of it, i'm not as knowledgable on this subject as the other guys in this thread. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

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Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,117	In case any of that wasn't clear, allow me to translate: Boobies. <curtsies> The higher your bodyfat, the more of your (expensive, illegal) cycle will aromatize into estrogen. Also, the higher your bodyfat, the more insulin resistant you will become - and in a surplus, that means you'll partition worse into muscle and get progressively fatter with each pound you gain. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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07-11-2009, 09:48 AM	#2
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	No stats = no help. It's only been two weeks, give it time as deca and cyp take a while to start working. Post your age, weight, height, AAS experience, diet info (how much is your protein intake like?) and I'm sure we can help you out. /V

07-11-2009, 03:09 PM	#5
hog928 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 16	shitty doc u have there. he may get a few more wins a year but its at other peoples cost id have him arrested lol

07-12-2009, 11:02 AM	#8
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Your BF% is too high for AAS right now, IMHO. You want to be in the single digits before you start. In other words, lose half. /V

07-13-2009, 04:27 PM	#9
zeek Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On lake erie Posts: 31	why does my body fat have to be so low.... I am not looking to be ripped and compete.... i just want to get bigger and stronger

07-13-2009, 05:37 PM	#11
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	^Because of what Gazhole said. Your BF is going to get even higher when you are on. Especially because of the deca. I would rather have a nice diet and a nice work out program over steroids, and right now that sounds like what you need. Save your money bro, things will go much better once your BF% is down. Good luck. /V

07-14-2009, 04:24 AM	#13
zeek Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On lake erie Posts: 31	okay...now we don't want any of that.....( side effects) Soo, should i stop right now ( three weeks in ) and start taking my clomid now? I can bring my BF down in a couple weeks without any problem with my cardio. I have been reading as much as I could for almost a year, but you guys are sooo full of information, I want to thank you all.

07-15-2009, 12:21 AM	#14
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	Its going to take longer than a couple of weeks if your about 18% BF.