peterwilliams

Hi guys, been a while since i have made a post.

Can anyone help me regarding sust250. I have read many posts on this stuff and would like some advice on a cycle. I am going to do a cycle which begins with 4 weeks of d-bol (30-40mg per day). The cycle will be eight weeks or so in length (not including post cycle recovery). I will do eight full weeks of test and deca but at the moment i am having a bit of trouble getting test but i can get sust250. I know it is not really ideal. Would it be good to do an amp every second day. This means 4 amps first week 3 amps second 4 amps third 3 amps forth week and so on ???

Next question....at the end of eight weeks how long must i wait before doing clomid (assuming i use the sust250 regime just outlined). I intend to do a bit of primo at the end of week eight cos it shouldnt prevent test recovery and will help maintain gains.

can you use winny (stanazol) during recovery?
What is the half life of winny?

I will also use arimidex throughout cycle and have some nolva on hand incase gyno.

If i can get t.Enanthanate what is the recommended weekly dose for this stuff?


Thanks very much guys

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Mudge

I've heard people waiting 2-3 weeks after thier last sust shot before using clomid, yet others start 2 weeks before thier cycle ends. Sust will stay in the system for approximately 3 weeks (not all of the tests).

You could do a shot of sust every 3rd day if your picky, but if its easier for you to balance the cycle on paper another way go for it, many seem happy just doing once a week, but with the short and long acting esters its up to you.

Winny/Stanazolol is a 17aa, since your doing dbol I'd give my system a break. Some have bridged with primo, some with dbol some with anavar, but of all of them either give your system a break or use primo, especially since your already going to do an oral during your regular cycle.

I've seen half life sheets for stuff before but never saved any of them, sorry

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Sust and Deca are fine. Why would that not be ideal. Sust is test. It is a mixture of 4 different tests. I am confused by your 4 amps one week 3 next week etc etc.

How many mgs are you planning on doing each week?

Some people inject sust say on Monday and again on Thursday. So if they are doing 500mg a week they would do 250mg monday and 250mg Thursday.

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BUSTINOUT

If he plans on doing four amps /wk, that is 1gram of test /week. Too much for a newbie in my opinion. What is your cycle history? I've come to the conclusion through my own experience, that sust can be somewhat frustrating when it comes to keeping test levels constant. I prefer stacking single esters. What are your stats?

5abi

i my self have'nt done ne cycles yet so my info maybe quit invaluable, but i've talked 2 some of the old timers from way back when, and they say that 2days hype tell u 2 do more more more the bigger the better theory, but when ur a newbie the least u can do is better cause u'll get best gains as a newb!

one of the old timers even reccomened a really lite dbol only cycle for 6weeks at 20mgs for 1st week then 25mgs for 4weeks then taper it off last week with mild clomid!

personally i know i'lll be doin that

Mudge

1000mg of sust a week is a ton, 250-500 if this is your first time on the stuff, more is not better. If you do things right your looking at the same weight gain, using mass quanities is simply more likely to show up side effects.

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peterwilliams

Hi there,

As for the three amps one week and four amps the next.....well i said one every second day and that naturally means that 4 occur in the first week and 3 in the next week....have a look how it works out bro...

I am not really a newbie guys. I have done a few cycles but they were 15 years ago. However I have done a bit of research of late and from what I have been able to findout sust250 has some unique considerations when it comes to planning your cycle.

Firstly, sust250 is a combination of four roids as already stated however these testosterones have very different half lives. if you take 250 mg of sust after the first day or two you are left with really only 100 mg of the test decanoate. Its actual composition is as below:
Testosterone propionate 30mg, Testosterone phenylpropionate 60 mg, Testosterone isocaproate 60 mg, Testosterone decanoate 100 mg

check out the half lives and see what i mean. so really if you take 1000 mg u really only get 400mg of anything that is long lasting. so you see 500 mg is neither dangerous nor sufficient because it is really like taking 200mg test a week which is not enough. Get what i am saying?

open for comments guys!!

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peterwilliams

By the way someone asked my stats...well i have 20 inch arms and bench over 400 pounds. I have won several bb titles.....not trying to be smart but i want an educated post to this question. I know one thing for sure, if you look at sust250 and workout how the four tests work over time you will see that 500 mg is not enough. Perhaps people who stack this stuff with an oral and only use 500mg are getting most of their gains from the oral??

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Mudge

Well, being that big is different, but there are newbies gaining 12-20 pounds from 250mg a week of sust ALONE. Stacking with an oral is usually highly recommended because you start to get a synergistic effect.

I dont agree that 500mg is not enough, but for your size I don't know, size or not however it seems most people increase doses based on 'need' from experience not from size. If you've got the cash, I'd drop that sust dose in half, if your only injecting a cc every 3rd day then your losing out MAYBE on one test in there, BFD, add some dbol to that is what I'd do, 200mg deca once a week if you felt like it, then get some nolv/clomid and voila, sounds like a nice stack to me.

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TheIcon2

I think you are refering to somethign I brought up a few weeks ago. Since Sust has prop in it and prop should be injected eod to gain the benefits of the prop in the sust you would have to inject the sust eod. If you don't then the prop woudl be going to waste.

I read somewhere else that soemone suggested doing 2 weeks eod injections then letting the esters do the rest of the work. Definately going against the norm.

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Mudge

Not from what I've seen, most everyone is doing once weekly or every 3-6 days or every 5th day, I have not seen anyones cycle with EOD sust injections, not yet.

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BUSTINOUT

Not trying ot be a smartass, but am I just to assume everyone that askes a gear question has 20 inch guns and lifts "a whole lot"? Until I am told otherwise, I'm going to asume I'm answering a newbie. What I meant by stats, was age, weight, cycle history, lifting history, etc. Bench press means nothing to me in regards to your question. It it's been 15 years since your last cycle, as far as your body goes, it does not know that you aren't a newbie. You have virgin receptors for all intent and purposes.

I too have read the article you are referring to, and it really does make sense. Again, I would not recommend it for someone just getting back into the game. 500mg/wk of test is ample, the true question is what ester. Like I said in my original post, single esters are easier to regulate the test in the blood stream. I usually do a medium to slow acting test(like cyp or enanthate), but while waiting for that to kick in, I do 100mg of prop ED.

Lastly, it sounds like you have all the answers to your questions anyway.

peterwilliams

thanks bustin that was a good post bro

Ok i guess by your definition i am a newbie....true

I am 34 5'8 225 lbs have only done about three cycles in the past....well they were 15 years ago.

OK i will try 500mg of sust a week say every three days or whatever . I may through in some deca also...200mg weekly...may make that 400mg what u guys think..

thanks for the constructive posts guys

P.S. i always intended to use d-bol for the first four weeks of the cycle...arimidex through out and clomid to complete....nolvadex on hand just incase...
By the way, can you give me the run down on volia??

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Mudge

While being large, you've been off it for YEARS you say, so your body is "rookie" as far as roids go (in my assumption, of course I'm not a doctor).

Most people prefer to take test/deca in a 2:1 ratio, so half of your cycle can be Deca, but not everyone is the same - some who dont follow the rule have 'problems' getting it up, I have heard of others daring enough to do nothing but deca who are impotent for as long as 7 or 8 months after.

Volia? Never heard of it, what is it?

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BUSTINOUT

I too took 10 years off from AS. Two years after getting back into lifting I put back on 20 lbs and dropped about 8% bf. That actually comes out to more than 20lbs when you do the math. All that will no supplementation. Solid foundation is key to getting the results you are after when deciding to juice again. 200-400,g/wk of deca should be fine. But let me tell you, the older we get, the deca has an extended side effect of giving the wilts. If you are taking arimidex throughout, IMHO no need for nolvadex. D-bol should kick it off nicely without alot of bloat since you will be taking the arimidex.