3rd AAS Cycle - critique...

roastchicken · 08-04-2009, 12:48 PM

Hi

The time is fast approaching for me to commence my 3rd AAS cycle and would love some feedback from you guys on this sample stack

my stats read-
age - 23
height - 6"3"
weight - 100kgs 220lbs
bf 15% perhaps lower but haven't been measured so can't be more accurate
experience - 4 years lifting, 2 cycles aas completed including sust/dianabol/anadrol/winstrol/proviron.

Test cyp - Deca - Anadrol - Arimidex

1 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
2 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
4 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
5 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
6 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
7 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
8 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
9 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
10 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
11 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
12 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day

Probably chuck in some HCG too , have never used HCG and would welcome some advice on doses and where to insert - my current research points towards 1500IU/week during weeks 3-9 - thoughts on this appreciated.

PCT will consist of 4 weeks of Nolvadex at 20mgs/day commencing week 14

Thanks for reading and look forward too your comments and suggestions.

roastchicken · 08-04-2009, 04:23 PM

BUMP + ps .would it be a wiser to run the deca through weeks 1-10 as opposed to cutting it short at week 8 ? i realise its a long acting compound so running it longer would be the better option ,no?
Thanks ROAST

VictorZ06 · 08-04-2009, 06:46 PM

Cycle looks good to me. And yeah, I usually cut out deca 2 weeks before ending my test, wait to weeks, and start PCT. So I'd run it to week 10.

HCG, I'd start it on week 2 @ 300IU E5D until you begin PCT. Something along those lines. Insert/inject anyplace a diabetic would inject insulin, using the same method. Shots are taken sub-q, I believe there are some clips on YouTube if you want to see it done.

You can easily put on a good 20 lbs. of LBM with the program above. Best of luck.

/V

Shadowcam · 08-04-2009, 10:11 PM

Looks good! run the Deca for additional 2 weeks like what is being said. Everything else seems to be covered.

**Pirate!** · 08-05-2009, 08:42 AM

Solid advice above.

Looks good to me to me, but I'd legthen the cycle by two weeks and run deca for ten weeks. You could throw in some proviron during the last few weeks leading up to pct to harden up and reduce estrogen.

roastchicken · 08-05-2009, 10:53 AM

Ok guys thanks for the responses !
This is what my final stack is going to look like -

Test cyp - Deca - Anadrol - Arimidex

1 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
2 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day
4 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
5 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
6 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
7 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
8 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
9 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
10 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
11 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day
12 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day

With regards to the HCG issue i have this paragraph from steroid.com. i realise that the writer is mainly refering to HCG's use in PCT but the information is still valid...

As regards HCG´s use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy and used in conjunction with nolvade, will help the already present problem of recovery without raising the levels of estrogen to high and increasing the risk of gynecomastia in the user. Lower doses of 250iu to 500iu also avoid the further risk of down regulating LH receptors in the testes. The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG. You don´t want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you don´t notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isn´t going to cut it like some people think. The only thing small doses of HCG ay be useful (sublingually) for is reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (7). Yeah, that´s right, you can probably reduce some symptoms of an enlarged prostate with the use of small doses of HCG.

As stated above the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should however take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body´s natural production of gonadotropins permanently, but this is mostly just pure speculation as it does not have yet to be reported nor has there been a case of an overdose. To be on the safe side shorter cycles of HCG seem to be that of the norm. Most users cycle HCG near the end of a steroid cycle, you should start your HCG therapy on the last week of your cycle. For best results you should also run nolva while you run HCG as taking HCG by itself will do little to nothing and gyno even though rare may also flair up. Once the HCG cycle is finished you continue with your usual clomid or nolvadex (preferably the latter) for pct as it is more effective when used in conjunction HCG for pct. With an AAS cycle of 6 to 10 weeks HCG may not be necessary unless extreme doses of AAS were used or there is an existing problem of testicular atrophy or you are running a heavy oral only cycle. AAS cycles of 12 or more weeks should have HCG as a part of post cycle plan.

I am by no means ignoring Victors advice (feel free to comment victor) however a little more clarity on the subject would be great - anyone care to enlighten me on their HCG use ?

VictorZ06 · 08-05-2009, 01:22 PM

There is an ongoing debate on how HCG should be administered. There are basically two ways to use it, during cycle or during PCT. Like I said, I use it during.

If you decide you want to use it during your cycle, you won't experience any testicular atrophy (your testicles will NOT shrink up). If you decide to use a few large doses during your PCT instead, this will help your testicles to grow back to normal size because during your cycle, your testicles will probably shrink to the size of M&Ms.

If you don't mind having your testicles shrink up during your cycle, use it post (and overall, less HCG will be needed). If you DO mind having trouble finding your testicles, run it during. You should also consider the fact that your sex partner will notice that you basically have no balls and testicular atrophy is a dead give away that you are using AAS.

I don't use HCG any longer than 10 weeks at a time. Some studies have shown that if HCG is used over a long period of time, HCG may actually act to desensitize the leydig cells to luteinizing hormone, which would further hinder a return to homeostasis.

If you don't use any HCG at all, it will take much longer for your testicles to come back to normal.

/V

**Built** · 08-05-2009, 02:04 PM

Victor, a question with regard to testicular atrophy: does endogenous testosterone production come back up to speed faster if you run HCG throughout your cycle?

What I'm asking is if by running HCG the whole cycle - thus precluding the usual during-cycle testicular atrophy - are you helping get back to full endogenous test production more quickly post-cycle, or is the effect mostly cosmetic? (Not that I'm against a man wanting to keep his boys plumped up and pretty!)

juggernaut · 08-05-2009, 03:18 PM

I think its more or less a cosmetic thing. The boys shrink and that kind of freaks people out. I might be wrong.

VictorZ06 · 08-05-2009, 06:10 PM

I did notice that I recover quicker using HCG. I've used it both during cycle, and only during PCT. Both methods bring you back to normal, eventually.

To answer Built's question, and from my understanding, HCG will help endogenous testosterone production start quicker. HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it doesn't help in reestablishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis.

The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged AAS usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production.

Once the HCG is discontinued, we must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use. For this reason experienced users often take Clomid and Clen following HCG intake or they immediately begin another steroid treatment.

/V

**Built** · 08-05-2009, 09:19 PM

Thank you Victor - much obliged for this.

VictorZ06 · 08-05-2009, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Thank you Victor - much obliged for this.

Anytime fair lady.

/V

Shadowcam · 08-06-2009, 12:39 AM

Having a smaller tea bag makes the spout appear bigger!

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowcam

Having a smaller tea bag makes the spout appear bigger!

roastchicken · 08-06-2009, 10:57 AM

so to conlclude - i am looking at 300iu HCG e5d running between week 2 and 10 .would i be right if i worked my shots out to 11 in total meaning i would need 3300iu ? would the HCG be purchased in 5000iu - i understand that u have to mix it yourself, i found this post regarding HCG mixing is this reliable? http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...-dose-hcg.html (How To Prepare and Dose HCG)

ALSO , would my on cycle support of arimidex protect me from the potential threat of gyno, i ask this as i will be stacking 3 strong compounds in the first 4 weeks and i am slightly concerned about adding in another risk factor to the equation - am i overthinking this ? does it matter ? Of course i will have nolvadex on hand throughout my cycle if anything signs odf gyno appear and i also have an emergency supply of liquid letro for worst case scenarios.

Thanks again for your responses

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 10:59 AM

link no workie

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 10:59 AM

fixed...

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...-dose-hcg.html (How To Prepare and Dose HCG)

roastchicken · 08-06-2009, 11:04 AM

don't know whats up with that ?

if u search HCG on the mainsite it is the third result down.

roastchicken · 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM

Thank-you JUG

VictorZ06 · 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM

Your HCG dose is fine. Pregnyl HCG comes in 1500iu and 5000iu amps. I believe there are different sizes on the black market. The solution is included in the box so you don't have to buy anything else, aside from slin pins. I strongly suggest going pharm grade with HCG.

/V

roastchicken · 08-06-2009, 11:07 AM

Once again V thanks for the good advice !

VictorZ06 · 08-06-2009, 11:08 AM

Anytime! Oh, and keep your HCG in the fridge, mixed or not. There is yet another ongoing debate if HCG should be stored unmixed in the fridge or not. I get mine from pharmacies, when they hand me the box, it's in a bag with a disposable ice pack to keep it cool until I get home. And the pharmacy stores it in the fridge too.

/V

roastchicken · 08-06-2009, 11:09 AM

Do you get it on prescription ,i thought that was the case in the states ?

VictorZ06 · 08-06-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roastchicken

Do you get it on prescription ,i thought that was the case in the states ?

Nope. Where I get it from all I have to do is walk in and buy it. It's all about who you know bro.

/V

roastchicken · 08-07-2009, 05:39 AM

Also as a follow up - i have been recently been instructed to run pramipexole alonngside to avoid any prolactin induced gyno, i would be looking at running 0.5mg/day throughout .Anyone with previous experience ?

thoughts on this much appreciated.

juggernaut · 08-07-2009, 05:53 AM

this is the norm and what I plan on using during my test cycle, rc. What are your plans for PCT?

roastchicken · 08-07-2009, 11:52 AM

week 14-18 20mgs tamoxifen (nolvadex)
week 13-20 100mgs clenbuterol week on/week off

i seem to respond well to tamoxifen so i don't dose anymore than 20 mgs/day i will probably include clenbuterol from week 13, 1 week on ,1 week off for approx 8 weeks at 100mgs/day. This will be purely for holding on to lbm and avoiding catabolism.

Thanks ROAST

roastchicken · 10-11-2009, 02:49 AM

i never got round to running the above cycle due to money problems but the break was welcome and at least my body has had a proper chance to recover fully.

Thanks to those who gave me advice on what i had planned on running however now i would appreciate some help as i will have to tweak my above plans to accomodate some new substances.

- To begin with i will use Test prop as a kicker and drop the oxy completely. I have 12 100mg vials my intention was to run thses M/W/F for the initial 4 weeks.

- I will still be using Test cyp throughout at 500 mg/ week - will i need to half this dose for the initial first 4 weeks to compensate for the prop? or am i good to just run it at 500mg as it won't really kick in till i've finished the prop anyway?

- instead of Deca i will be using EQ, my intention is to run this at 500mg /week or at least 400mg this all depends on the mg/ml of the gear i end up with

i will still be practising the same PCT and using the same HCG protocol as my original cycle intented however i will probably switch my on cycle support from arimidex to aromasin.

Am i doing anything obvious wrong here?

Thank you RC

08-04-2009, 12:48 PM	#1
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	3rd AAS Cycle - critique... Hi The time is fast approaching for me to commence my 3rd AAS cycle and would love some feedback from you guys on this sample stack my stats read- age - 23 height - 6"3" weight - 100kgs 220lbs bf 15% perhaps lower but haven't been measured so can't be more accurate experience - 4 years lifting, 2 cycles aas completed including sust/dianabol/anadrol/winstrol/proviron. Test cyp - Deca - Anadrol - Arimidex 1 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 2 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 4 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 5 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 6 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 7 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 8 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 9 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 10 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 11 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 12 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day Probably chuck in some HCG too , have never used HCG and would welcome some advice on doses and where to insert - my current research points towards 1500IU/week during weeks 3-9 - thoughts on this appreciated. PCT will consist of 4 weeks of Nolvadex at 20mgs/day commencing week 14 Thanks for reading and look forward too your comments and suggestions. My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-04-2009, 04:23 PM	#2
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	BUMP + ps .would it be a wiser to run the deca through weeks 1-10 as opposed to cutting it short at week 8 ? i realise its a long acting compound so running it longer would be the better option ,no? Thanks ROAST My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-05-2009, 08:42 AM	#5
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,173	Solid advice above. Looks good to me to me, but I'd legthen the cycle by two weeks and run deca for ten weeks. You could throw in some proviron during the last few weeks leading up to pct to harden up and reduce estrogen. My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-05-2009, 10:53 AM	#6
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	Ok guys thanks for the responses ! This is what my final stack is going to look like - Test cyp - Deca - Anadrol - Arimidex 1 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 2 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 3 500 mgs 400 mgs 100 mgs/day 0.5 mgs/day 4 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 5 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 6 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 7 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 8 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 9 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 10 500 mgs 400 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 11 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day 12 500 mgs 0.5 mgs/day With regards to the HCG issue i have this paragraph from steroid.com. i realise that the writer is mainly refering to HCG's use in PCT but the information is still valid... As regards HCG´s use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy and used in conjunction with nolvade, will help the already present problem of recovery without raising the levels of estrogen to high and increasing the risk of gynecomastia in the user. Lower doses of 250iu to 500iu also avoid the further risk of down regulating LH receptors in the testes. The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG. You don´t want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you don´t notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isn´t going to cut it like some people think. The only thing small doses of HCG ay be useful (sublingually) for is reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (7). Yeah, that´s right, you can probably reduce some symptoms of an enlarged prostate with the use of small doses of HCG. As stated above the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should however take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body´s natural production of gonadotropins permanently, but this is mostly just pure speculation as it does not have yet to be reported nor has there been a case of an overdose. To be on the safe side shorter cycles of HCG seem to be that of the norm. Most users cycle HCG near the end of a steroid cycle, you should start your HCG therapy on the last week of your cycle. For best results you should also run nolva while you run HCG as taking HCG by itself will do little to nothing and gyno even though rare may also flair up. Once the HCG cycle is finished you continue with your usual clomid or nolvadex (preferably the latter) for pct as it is more effective when used in conjunction HCG for pct. With an AAS cycle of 6 to 10 weeks HCG may not be necessary unless extreme doses of AAS were used or there is an existing problem of testicular atrophy or you are running a heavy oral only cycle. AAS cycles of 12 or more weeks should have HCG as a part of post cycle plan. I am by no means ignoring Victors advice (feel free to comment victor) however a little more clarity on the subject would be great - anyone care to enlighten me on their HCG use ? My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-05-2009, 02:04 PM	#8
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	Victor, a question with regard to testicular atrophy: does endogenous testosterone production come back up to speed faster if you run HCG throughout your cycle? What I'm asking is if by running HCG the whole cycle - thus precluding the usual during-cycle testicular atrophy - are you helping get back to full endogenous test production more quickly post-cycle, or is the effect mostly cosmetic? (Not that I'm against a man wanting to keep his boys plumped up and pretty!) Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-04-2009, 06:46 PM	#3
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Cycle looks good to me. And yeah, I usually cut out deca 2 weeks before ending my test, wait to weeks, and start PCT. So I'd run it to week 10. HCG, I'd start it on week 2 @ 300IU E5D until you begin PCT. Something along those lines. Insert/inject anyplace a diabetic would inject insulin, using the same method. Shots are taken sub-q, I believe there are some clips on YouTube if you want to see it done. You can easily put on a good 20 lbs. of LBM with the program above. Best of luck. /V

08-04-2009, 10:11 PM	#4
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	Looks good! run the Deca for additional 2 weeks like what is being said. Everything else seems to be covered.

08-05-2009, 01:22 PM	#7
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	There is an ongoing debate on how HCG should be administered. There are basically two ways to use it, during cycle or during PCT. Like I said, I use it during. If you decide you want to use it during your cycle, you won't experience any testicular atrophy (your testicles will NOT shrink up). If you decide to use a few large doses during your PCT instead, this will help your testicles to grow back to normal size because during your cycle, your testicles will probably shrink to the size of M&Ms. If you don't mind having your testicles shrink up during your cycle, use it post (and overall, less HCG will be needed). If you DO mind having trouble finding your testicles, run it during. You should also consider the fact that your sex partner will notice that you basically have no balls and testicular atrophy is a dead give away that you are using AAS. I don't use HCG any longer than 10 weeks at a time. Some studies have shown that if HCG is used over a long period of time, HCG may actually act to desensitize the leydig cells to luteinizing hormone, which would further hinder a return to homeostasis. If you don't use any HCG at all, it will take much longer for your testicles to come back to normal. /V

08-05-2009, 03:18 PM	#9
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I think its more or less a cosmetic thing. The boys shrink and that kind of freaks people out. I might be wrong.

08-05-2009, 06:10 PM	#10
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	I did notice that I recover quicker using HCG. I've used it both during cycle, and only during PCT. Both methods bring you back to normal, eventually. To answer Built's question, and from my understanding, HCG will help endogenous testosterone production start quicker. HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it doesn't help in reestablishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged AAS usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, we must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use. For this reason experienced users often take Clomid and Clen following HCG intake or they immediately begin another steroid treatment. /V

08-05-2009, 09:19 PM	#11
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	Thank you Victor - much obliged for this. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-06-2009, 12:39 AM	#13
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	Having a smaller tea bag makes the spout appear bigger!

08-06-2009, 10:57 AM	#15
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	so to conlclude - i am looking at 300iu HCG e5d running between week 2 and 10 .would i be right if i worked my shots out to 11 in total meaning i would need 3300iu ? would the HCG be purchased in 5000iu - i understand that u have to mix it yourself, i found this post regarding HCG mixing is this reliable? http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...-dose-hcg.html (How To Prepare and Dose HCG) ALSO , would my on cycle support of arimidex protect me from the potential threat of gyno, i ask this as i will be stacking 3 strong compounds in the first 4 weeks and i am slightly concerned about adding in another risk factor to the equation - am i overthinking this ? does it matter ? Of course i will have nolvadex on hand throughout my cycle if anything signs odf gyno appear and i also have an emergency supply of liquid letro for worst case scenarios. Thanks again for your responses My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221 Last edited by roastchicken : 08-06-2009 at 11:02 AM.

08-06-2009, 10:59 AM	#16
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	link no workie

08-06-2009, 11:04 AM	#18
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	don't know whats up with that ? if u search HCG on the mainsite it is the third result down. My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-06-2009, 11:05 AM	#19
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	Thank-you JUG My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-06-2009, 11:07 AM	#21
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	Once again V thanks for the good advice ! My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-06-2009, 11:08 AM	#22
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Anytime! Oh, and keep your HCG in the fridge, mixed or not. There is yet another ongoing debate if HCG should be stored unmixed in the fridge or not. I get mine from pharmacies, when they hand me the box, it's in a bag with a disposable ice pack to keep it cool until I get home. And the pharmacy stores it in the fridge too. /V

08-06-2009, 11:09 AM	#23
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	Do you get it on prescription ,i thought that was the case in the states ? My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-07-2009, 05:39 AM	#25
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	Also as a follow up - i have been recently been instructed to run pramipexole alonngside to avoid any prolactin induced gyno, i would be looking at running 0.5mg/day throughout .Anyone with previous experience ? thoughts on this much appreciated. My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

08-07-2009, 05:53 AM	#26
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	this is the norm and what I plan on using during my test cycle, rc. What are your plans for PCT?

08-07-2009, 11:52 AM	#27
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	week 14-18 20mgs tamoxifen (nolvadex) week 13-20 100mgs clenbuterol week on/week off i seem to respond well to tamoxifen so i don't dose anymore than 20 mgs/day i will probably include clenbuterol from week 13, 1 week on ,1 week off for approx 8 weeks at 100mgs/day. This will be purely for holding on to lbm and avoiding catabolism. Thanks ROAST My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

10-11-2009, 02:49 AM	#28
roastchicken Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	i never got round to running the above cycle due to money problems but the break was welcome and at least my body has had a proper chance to recover fully. Thanks to those who gave me advice on what i had planned on running however now i would appreciate some help as i will have to tweak my above plans to accomodate some new substances. - To begin with i will use Test prop as a kicker and drop the oxy completely. I have 12 100mg vials my intention was to run thses M/W/F for the initial 4 weeks. - I will still be using Test cyp throughout at 500 mg/ week - will i need to half this dose for the initial first 4 weeks to compensate for the prop? or am i good to just run it at 500mg as it won't really kick in till i've finished the prop anyway? - instead of Deca i will be using EQ, my intention is to run this at 500mg /week or at least 400mg this all depends on the mg/ml of the gear i end up with i will still be practising the same PCT and using the same HCG protocol as my original cycle intented however i will probably switch my on cycle support from arimidex to aromasin. Am i doing anything obvious wrong here? Thank you RC My current journal - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...more-best.html enter this code at the checkout at myprotein.co.uk to recieve a discount ! MP72221

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