whats the differance?

awhites1 · 09-28-2009, 09:40 AM

Whats the differance between testodex cypionate and testodex enanthate?

mixologist · 10-03-2009, 08:40 PM

**dg806** · 10-04-2009, 08:52 PM

Both are very close to each other in terms of carbons and half life. Usually you can use either one in place of the other and not notice a difference.

awhites1 · 10-06-2009, 02:49 PM

after doing a little research on it, it looks like cypionate has kind of a short esther life. not sure if im wording that right but basically it wont stay in your system that long... since its only my 2nd cylcle ever and I dont need a lot, im not going above one cc a week. Should I spilt that up and do half like on sun or monday and the other half later in the week or will one shot a week be fine?

wickedwayz · 10-13-2009, 10:09 AM

No proven difference in usage I know of. One has an extra ester or something but not shown to really make a difference. I'm not an expert though.

wickedwayz · 10-13-2009, 10:10 AM

What mg is your gear?

awhites1 · 10-13-2009, 06:02 PM

250. the side effects have been quite a bit diff. after my 3rd week they seem to be tapering off though. anxiety has been the main side effect so far. never got that from enthanate. but no roid rage or weird dreams w/ this one

wickedwayz · 10-14-2009, 08:26 PM

Anxiety. Hummm maybe it's not gear related. I never noticed high anxiety myself. Get some lexapro or zoloft if it's driving u nuts. Low dose Xanax. LOL

mixologist · 10-16-2009, 01:53 PM

I read somewhere anti depressents can have a negative effect on juicing? true? not true?

wickedwayz · 10-20-2009, 12:50 PM

Anti D ? Very possible. Pain med and such hydrocodene yes.

wickedwayz · 10-20-2009, 12:53 PM

I don't know about negative but they can hurt ur gains. All to do with the receptors in your brain. The meds bind to receptors like gear. Someone correct me if I'm off track.

m11 · 10-20-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by awhites1

250. the side effects have been quite a bit diff. after my 3rd week they seem to be tapering off though. anxiety has been the main side effect so far. never got that from enthanate. but no roid rage or weird dreams w/ this one

Test enanthate has an 8 carbon ester and cypionate has a 9 carbon ester. The difference between the release times as well as the total amount of test delivered is negligible (enanthate delivers 72mg/100mg and cypionate delivers 70mg/100mg).

The ester length alone cannot be attributed to those issues that you experienced. The cause of your side effects is unrelated to which ester length that you selected.

m11 · 10-20-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mixologist

I read somewhere anti depressents can have a negative effect on juicing? true? not true?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wickedwayz

I don't know about negative but they can hurt ur gains. All to do with the receptors in your brain. The meds bind to receptors like gear. Someone correct me if I'm off track.

In short, taking any of the four classes of antidepressants likely won't have any effect on the mechanism of an anabolic/androgenic steroid. The receptors are unrelated (neuroreceptors vs androgen receptors) and they function independently.

Additionally, antidepressants can function to help mitigate 'steroid withdrawal' if one were to abruptly stop their cycle.

A note: I suppose that inhibiting the reuptake of various neurotransmitters may or may not effect strength/expected strength gains due to a 'quieting' of the neuromuscular system. This is debatable though and I'm not certain that their is an (or a noticeable) effect on the NM system and muscle tissue recruitment -- I'm just speculating.

cman · 10-20-2009, 05:10 PM

I have been taking test cyp and enan for five years. I noticed the cycpe made me sleep real hard but that went away once i got a steady level in my blood stream. the enan never did this. now I can not tell the diff. The cyp and enan are just carriers, or vehicles so to speak. Something to bind the test to and keep it in solution. Water works as well but you break it down too fast so they were put in oil's to regulate the speed of their distribution.
Anxiety could be from worrying about side effects. My neighbor took 50 mg's of deca once and worried himself to a frenzie. said he was having a heart attack, doc found nothing physicaly wrong.

m11 · 10-20-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cman

Anxiety could be from worrying about side effects.

That sounds about right.

awhites1 · 10-21-2009, 08:32 AM

awesome. appreciate all the feed back fellas. pretty helpful. I was worried it might just be in my head b/c they have all but gone now 4 weeks into it.

**dg806** · 10-21-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by awhites1

after doing a little research on it, it looks like cypionate has kind of a short esther life. not sure if im wording that right but basically it wont stay in your system that long... since its only my 2nd cylcle ever and I dont need a lot, im not going above one cc a week. Should I spilt that up and do half like on sun or monday and the other half later in the week or will one shot a week be fine?

I think you may be referring to prop?

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cman Disabled Vet Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atl GA Posts: 1,079 Photos: 3	I have been taking test cyp and enan for five years. I noticed the cycpe made me sleep real hard but that went away once i got a steady level in my blood stream. the enan never did this. now I can not tell the diff. The cyp and enan are just carriers, or vehicles so to speak. Something to bind the test to and keep it in solution. Water works as well but you break it down too fast so they were put in oil's to regulate the speed of their distribution. Anxiety could be from worrying about side effects. My neighbor took 50 mg's of deca once and worried himself to a frenzie. said he was having a heart attack, doc found nothing physicaly wrong. Heavily medicated for your safety. Medicated Not medicated Age 40, 5'11" 210lb's

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10-06-2009, 02:49 PM	#4
awhites1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: dallas area Posts: 81 Photos: 7	after doing a little research on it, it looks like cypionate has kind of a short esther life. not sure if im wording that right but basically it wont stay in your system that long... since its only my 2nd cylcle ever and I dont need a lot, im not going above one cc a week. Should I spilt that up and do half like on sun or monday and the other half later in the week or will one shot a week be fine?

10-13-2009, 10:09 AM	#5
wickedwayz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tx Posts: 62 Photos: 1	No proven difference in usage I know of. One has an extra ester or something but not shown to really make a difference. I'm not an expert though.

10-13-2009, 10:10 AM	#6
wickedwayz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tx Posts: 62 Photos: 1	What mg is your gear?

10-13-2009, 06:02 PM	#7
awhites1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: dallas area Posts: 81 Photos: 7	250. the side effects have been quite a bit diff. after my 3rd week they seem to be tapering off though. anxiety has been the main side effect so far. never got that from enthanate. but no roid rage or weird dreams w/ this one

10-14-2009, 08:26 PM	#8
wickedwayz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tx Posts: 62 Photos: 1	Anxiety. Hummm maybe it's not gear related. I never noticed high anxiety myself. Get some lexapro or zoloft if it's driving u nuts. Low dose Xanax. LOL

10-16-2009, 01:53 PM	#9
mixologist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California, USA Posts: 14	I read somewhere anti depressents can have a negative effect on juicing? true? not true?

10-20-2009, 12:50 PM	#10
wickedwayz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tx Posts: 62 Photos: 1	Anti D ? Very possible. Pain med and such hydrocodene yes.

10-20-2009, 12:53 PM	#11
wickedwayz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tx Posts: 62 Photos: 1	I don't know about negative but they can hurt ur gains. All to do with the receptors in your brain. The meds bind to receptors like gear. Someone correct me if I'm off track.

10-21-2009, 08:32 AM	#16
awhites1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: dallas area Posts: 81 Photos: 7	awesome. appreciate all the feed back fellas. pretty helpful. I was worried it might just be in my head b/c they have all but gone now 4 weeks into it.