Hey Guys, First Cycle, Help me!

sus250maybe · 10-04-2009, 02:59 AM

As reccomended by a used-to-be roid head. I should start off my first cycle with Sus 250, and during its peak usage use a few shots of deca

Now heres the cycle i was reccomended by him:
Week 1: 125g of sus 250
Week 2: 250 g sus 250
Week 3: 375g sus 250
week 4: 500 g sus 250
week 5: 500 g sus 250
week 6: 625g sus 250
week 7: 500g sus 250
week 8: 375g sus 250
week 9: 375g sus 250
week 10: 250g sus 250
week 11: 250g sus 250/Clomid 50-100
week 12: 125g sus 250/Clomid 100-150/hcg 1/2
week 13: 125 g sus 250/ hcg 1/2 / Clomid 200
week 14: Clomid-200-150
week 15: Clomid 100-50
week 16: Clomid 50-25
week 17: Clomid 25-5
week 18: Clomid-5

OH I forgot to mention that I was also told to stack with deca but only for 2 weeks
during weeks 8-9 (because other testosterones in my highest dosage will activate at that time i should use Deca). I was told i should use 2-3 shots of about 300g's each. let me know if thats a smart idea or not.

For those of you who are wondering what type of Sus 250 it is, its pakistani Sus 250 and im pretty sure its real considering pictures, prints, and other research.

Now this is exactly word for word what i was told to do.
I do wanna train naturally after this first cycle. I have been training for about a year and i have realized a huge difference from what i started with. Any help, any comments, any type of criticization would help. I really appreciate any help that you guys would give me. Thanks fellow roid heads! ( and naturals who are smart as hell-lol) Keep in mind ive never tried prohormones, steroids, only natural crap that you could buy at GNC or Vitamin Shoppe. Thanks AGAIN!

VictorZ06 · 10-04-2009, 08:50 AM

All wrong. VERY wrong.

Using different types of tests throughout your cycle at different doses is not the wisest of things to do. Don't taper your test, your want your plasma levels even at all times. And sustanon is the poorest choice when it comes to picking out a test, you will be wasting it at the above doses.

2 weeks of deca? It takes about 3-4 for it to start kickin in. Doesn't make sense, regardless of dose.

To be honest, I don't think juice is for you right now, given the fact that you said you have only been in the gym for about a year now. It's best recommended to have a few years of training and proper dieting before you start to juice. And lastly, for cycle advice....post your stats. BF%, height, weight, diet, etc.

/V

sus250maybe · 10-04-2009, 11:24 AM

Ive been training for about a year but very consistently with a great diet
At this point i am 18 years old and well i have no clue about anabolic substances such as these
I am 5feet 4inches
I weigh about 152-156 (fluctuates)
My goal: 200 (lets start with one cycle)(then work my way up)
BF%: Never been measured but id say about 12 or so
Diet: 3500 Cal's+
Protein: 320+
Carbs 150+

VictorZ06 · 10-04-2009, 12:52 PM

You have no business using AAS at your age, regardless of your stats. That's not what you want to hear, but it's the honest truth.

Nobody here (with half a brain) is going to tell you different. Sorry.

/V

sus250maybe · 10-04-2009, 02:49 PM

Well, man i appreciate the advice i honestly do but ive made up my mind, and theres no going back for me, its either i do it right and decrease the chances to screw myself over, or do it wrong and increase the chances to screw myself over. And id like to do it as right as possible, which is why im asking for advice. Please Help me if you can. Thank You

**Gazhole** · 10-04-2009, 03:37 PM

If you want to do it as right as possible, do it when you're 24 and have been training consistently for 7 years. Use the time until then to learn about training, eating, and how to structure a decent cycle. I don't know much about putting together a cycle and even i can tell that looks wrong.

The problem with doing it so young, and with such little gym experience, is that your test levels are already really high anyway, and you probably won't keep any of your gains simply because your body hasn't been conditioned to hold on to large amounts of muscle.

I would also be surprised if your bones/connective tissue is strong enough to handle such a sudden increase in force from the muscles and the increased weights youll be using, too.

Honest to god, you can make fantastic progress just by eating a lot (which you'll need to do on a cycle anyway) and training hard (ditto for on a cycle).

If you can't gain without steroids, why do you think you're going to gain when you're on them?

VictorZ06 · 10-04-2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sus250maybe

Well, man i appreciate the advice i honestly do but ive made up my mind, and theres no going back for me, its either i do it right and decrease the chances to screw myself over, or do it wrong and increase the chances to screw myself over. And id like to do it as right as possible, which is why im asking for advice. Please Help me if you can. Thank You

Doing it as right as possible would require you to study more about the use of AAS and learn why it's not suggested to use it at your age. You are risking a lot. The only advice I can give to an 18 year old kid who is 150 lbs. and has been in the gym for less than a year is not to use any kind of AAS.

Stick with some whey and creatine along with a good diet and you will be fine if you train right/hard. Use AAS once you pass or are slowly approaching your genetic potential. Don't mean to sound like your father, but it's true. Either way you look at it, if you mess with this shit now, you will in fact be screwing yourself over.

/V

sus250maybe · 10-04-2009, 08:47 PM

Guys, thanks for trying to get me on the right path, but illl be very honest, im past that point. Theres nothing that could put me back. Im ready to go. I have had a great diet considering i started off at 110lbs and in less then a year im 150lbs. ofcourse thats not my genetic potential, but i know my genes suck looking at every single person in my family. If you guys could help me structure a cycle id appreciate it, if not i guess im headed to throw a hammer on my own foot.

rahaas · 10-04-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sus250maybe

if not i guess im headed to throw a hammer on my own foot.

No responsible person is going to give you any more advice than was already given. That's because it IS the only good advice.

TheRhino · 10-04-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahaas

No responsible person is going to give you any more advice than was already given. That's because it IS the only good advice.

AGREE

Shadowcam · 10-05-2009, 03:35 AM

You have been given advice and you are not interested so do as you please and dont come back asking for advice on how to repair your lactating tits and limp dick.

Nobody here will give you anymore advice so give up!

Goodbye!

**Gazhole** · 10-05-2009, 08:13 AM

If your plan was the appeal to our caring side through some sort of emotional blackmail, you're actually just coming off as a stubborn child.

More fool you for doing something you know is likely going to mess your body up. Nobody here will respect that level of stupidity.

All the best!

Former Fat boy · 10-05-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sus250maybe

Guys, thanks for trying to get me on the right path, but illl be very honest, im past that point. Theres nothing that could put me back. Im ready to go. I have had a great diet considering i started off at 110lbs and in less then a year im 150lbs. ofcourse thats not my genetic potential, but i know my genes suck looking at every single person in my family. If you guys could help me structure a cycle id appreciate it, if not i guess im headed to throw a hammer on my own foot.

Bro, Everybody here has just given you uncompromising, excellent advise. Be smart! Heed these words of wisdom now or pay a terrible price later. It is a common well known fact that starting AAS too young will only negitively affect you. Study and learn all you can about training and diet as these two aspects of bodybuilding will affect results much greater than the use of AAS.

Sbox · 10-05-2009, 10:12 AM

WHY THE Hell does this guy who is 18 get more replies then someone like myself
asking for advice/stories when ive been training for years and am 27 ?

sigh

cmon guys i want your opinions on my post

sus250maybe · 10-05-2009, 11:28 PM

Alright guys, hear me out.
No emotional blackmail, nothing is forcing you
Simply put: you dont wanna help me dont
If you cant help me dont tell me i cant do it
If you are gonna tell me why i shouldnt PROVE to me why i shouldnt, dont prove to me an 18 year old who fucked up. Prove to me an 18year old who fucked up with doing everything perfectly. A great PCT, constant test levels.
Oh and as far as lactating tits go, thanks for the fucking advice man excuse my language but if you cant help me then dont go on commenting here

m11 · 10-05-2009, 11:53 PM

We are helping you by telling you that you shouldn't use AAS at 18 years old. There is no perfect way to use AAS at 18.

**Gazhole** · 10-06-2009, 02:58 AM

The only one saying you've been doing everything perfectly is you. I'm glad you've seen good progress in your first year of training, and no doubt you've worked hard for them, but progress in the first year is pretty much guaranteed because you've likely never done any training like this before.

The fact of the matter is that you're 18, your natural test levels are already sky high (high enough to be gaining muscle out of your ears), you have only been training for a year, and your stats are nowhere near the limits of what you can achieve naturally.

If you cycle now, you will be wasting a cycle. Wait a few years and make it really count if you're dead set on taking steroids at some point in your life.

Like i said in my last post - if you're not gaining without steroids you won't gain with them, and with your lack of training experience the huge increase in stress on your body might cause you an injury. This isn't taking into account the more internal effects an anabolic compound could have on a teenage body which is already rife with crazy hormonal changes.

Ben dur · 10-06-2009, 08:34 AM

seriously if you used a couple great sups and an intense training regimin

at your age

people will accuse you of using steroids anyways...
ive been accused of using them myself a few times.

id recommend using a preworkout like whey isolate and NO explode(my fav)
and a post workout homebrew with dextrose, whey and creatine mono (CEE if you can aford it and NEED IT)
and a couple high fat HIGH PROTEIN shakes on morning on late evening

steroids shut down your hormonal system.
a shutdown at your age will send your entire system into a chaotic wobble

furthermore, your connective tissue, and joints (which can hardly keep up without steroids) will NOT keep up with your gains
and you WILL experience injuries

as i said before
use the supplements available (pre workout, whey, creatine, dextrose) lift weights seriously
and throw in some HIIT a couple times a week (proven to increase anabolic hormones)
and you WILL get accused of using AAS

no need to hurt yourself

Ben dur · 10-06-2009, 08:37 AM

some studies show that glutamine increases natural anabolic hormones

you can get a months worth at walmart for $10

Ben dur · 10-06-2009, 08:38 AM

fish oil helps support a proper hormone balance, as well as increasing the circulatory systems ability to remove toxins and deliver aminos and other nutrients

you can get a months worth at walmart for $10

Ben dur · 10-06-2009, 08:39 AM

whey protein has been proven to increase protein synthesis

you can get a months worth at walmart for $20

Ben dur · 10-06-2009, 08:41 AM

creatine and dextrose, especially when used directly post workout have been proven to help replinish and volumize skelital muscular cells

creatine has even been proven to increase protein synthesis

you can get a months worth of "professional creatine" (a dextrose, maltodextrin, creatine blend) at walmart for $20

Shadowcam · 10-06-2009, 10:59 PM

^^^Im guessing you shop at walmart frequently!

**Built** · 10-06-2009, 11:37 PM

Well, I was chatting with our friend sus250maybe by PM, trying to get him to tighten up his diet and his training before starting this premature cycle he wants to run, but in conversation I let slip that ... I'm a woman!
<gasp!>

He promptly stopped answering my PMs.

Ben dur · 10-07-2009, 12:25 AM

i do shop at walmart regularly, but i typically order my suplements online...

they are EVEN CHEAPER that way...

i was just trying to let this young fella know that the supplements he should be taking are proven, safe, cheap, and easily accessible

Ben dur · 10-07-2009, 12:27 AM

BUILT YOUR A WOMAN!!!

i think im going to go subscribe to mens health, buy some muscletech products, and NEVER LOG ON TO IRONMAGAZINE AGAIN

edit for our young reader
(not that muscletech products are that bad, if you can afford them and have realistic expectations)
at least they are safe!

**Built** · 10-07-2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben dur

BUILT YOUR A WOMAN!!!

i think im going to go subscribe to mens health, buy some muscletech products, and NEVER LOG ON TO IRONMAGAZINE AGAIN!

Ah... there I go, breaking stereotypes, one shattered ego at a time...

**Gazhole** · 10-07-2009, 02:33 AM

Come on Marianne, everybody knows women cant possibly know anything about bodybuilding. You're quite obviously a man pretending to be a woman! THE JIG IS UP!

jmorrison · 10-07-2009, 04:15 AM

No one is buying the whole "woman" thing. Your abs obviously belong to a cyborg male from the future.

rahaas · 10-07-2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Ah... there I go, breaking stereotypes, one shattered ego at a time...

But aren't you afraid of getting big?

10-04-2009, 02:59 AM	#1
sus250maybe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17	Hey Guys, First Cycle, Help me! As reccomended by a used-to-be roid head. I should start off my first cycle with Sus 250, and during its peak usage use a few shots of deca Now heres the cycle i was reccomended by him: Week 1: 125g of sus 250 Week 2: 250 g sus 250 Week 3: 375g sus 250 week 4: 500 g sus 250 week 5: 500 g sus 250 week 6: 625g sus 250 week 7: 500g sus 250 week 8: 375g sus 250 week 9: 375g sus 250 week 10: 250g sus 250 week 11: 250g sus 250/Clomid 50-100 week 12: 125g sus 250/Clomid 100-150/hcg 1/2 week 13: 125 g sus 250/ hcg 1/2 / Clomid 200 week 14: Clomid-200-150 week 15: Clomid 100-50 week 16: Clomid 50-25 week 17: Clomid 25-5 week 18: Clomid-5 OH I forgot to mention that I was also told to stack with deca but only for 2 weeks during weeks 8-9 (because other testosterones in my highest dosage will activate at that time i should use Deca). I was told i should use 2-3 shots of about 300g's each. let me know if thats a smart idea or not. For those of you who are wondering what type of Sus 250 it is, its pakistani Sus 250 and im pretty sure its real considering pictures, prints, and other research. Now this is exactly word for word what i was told to do. I do wanna train naturally after this first cycle. I have been training for about a year and i have realized a huge difference from what i started with. Any help, any comments, any type of criticization would help. I really appreciate any help that you guys would give me. Thanks fellow roid heads! ( and naturals who are smart as hell-lol) Keep in mind ive never tried prohormones, steroids, only natural crap that you could buy at GNC or Vitamin Shoppe. Thanks AGAIN!

10-04-2009, 03:37 PM	#6
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	If you want to do it as right as possible, do it when you're 24 and have been training consistently for 7 years. Use the time until then to learn about training, eating, and how to structure a decent cycle. I don't know much about putting together a cycle and even i can tell that looks wrong. The problem with doing it so young, and with such little gym experience, is that your test levels are already really high anyway, and you probably won't keep any of your gains simply because your body hasn't been conditioned to hold on to large amounts of muscle. I would also be surprised if your bones/connective tissue is strong enough to handle such a sudden increase in force from the muscles and the increased weights youll be using, too. Honest to god, you can make fantastic progress just by eating a lot (which you'll need to do on a cycle anyway) and training hard (ditto for on a cycle). If you can't gain without steroids, why do you think you're going to gain when you're on them? http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-05-2009, 08:13 AM	#12
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	If your plan was the appeal to our caring side through some sort of emotional blackmail, you're actually just coming off as a stubborn child. More fool you for doing something you know is likely going to mess your body up. Nobody here will respect that level of stupidity. All the best! http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-05-2009, 11:53 PM	#16
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	We are helping you by telling you that you shouldn't use AAS at 18 years old. There is no perfect way to use AAS at 18. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

10-06-2009, 02:58 AM	#17
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	The only one saying you've been doing everything perfectly is you. I'm glad you've seen good progress in your first year of training, and no doubt you've worked hard for them, but progress in the first year is pretty much guaranteed because you've likely never done any training like this before. The fact of the matter is that you're 18, your natural test levels are already sky high (high enough to be gaining muscle out of your ears), you have only been training for a year, and your stats are nowhere near the limits of what you can achieve naturally. If you cycle now, you will be wasting a cycle. Wait a few years and make it really count if you're dead set on taking steroids at some point in your life. Like i said in my last post - if you're not gaining without steroids you won't gain with them, and with your lack of training experience the huge increase in stress on your body might cause you an injury. This isn't taking into account the more internal effects an anabolic compound could have on a teenage body which is already rife with crazy hormonal changes. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-04-2009, 08:50 AM	#2
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	All wrong. VERY wrong. Using different types of tests throughout your cycle at different doses is not the wisest of things to do. Don't taper your test, your want your plasma levels even at all times. And sustanon is the poorest choice when it comes to picking out a test, you will be wasting it at the above doses. 2 weeks of deca? It takes about 3-4 for it to start kickin in. Doesn't make sense, regardless of dose. To be honest, I don't think juice is for you right now, given the fact that you said you have only been in the gym for about a year now. It's best recommended to have a few years of training and proper dieting before you start to juice. And lastly, for cycle advice....post your stats. BF%, height, weight, diet, etc. /V

10-04-2009, 11:24 AM	#3
sus250maybe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17	Ive been training for about a year but very consistently with a great diet At this point i am 18 years old and well i have no clue about anabolic substances such as these I am 5feet 4inches I weigh about 152-156 (fluctuates) My goal: 200 (lets start with one cycle)(then work my way up) BF%: Never been measured but id say about 12 or so Diet: 3500 Cal's+ Protein: 320+ Carbs 150+

10-04-2009, 12:52 PM	#4
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	You have no business using AAS at your age, regardless of your stats. That's not what you want to hear, but it's the honest truth. Nobody here (with half a brain) is going to tell you different. Sorry. /V

10-04-2009, 02:49 PM	#5
sus250maybe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17	Well, man i appreciate the advice i honestly do but ive made up my mind, and theres no going back for me, its either i do it right and decrease the chances to screw myself over, or do it wrong and increase the chances to screw myself over. And id like to do it as right as possible, which is why im asking for advice. Please Help me if you can. Thank You

10-04-2009, 08:47 PM	#8
sus250maybe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17	Guys, thanks for trying to get me on the right path, but illl be very honest, im past that point. Theres nothing that could put me back. Im ready to go. I have had a great diet considering i started off at 110lbs and in less then a year im 150lbs. ofcourse thats not my genetic potential, but i know my genes suck looking at every single person in my family. If you guys could help me structure a cycle id appreciate it, if not i guess im headed to throw a hammer on my own foot.

10-05-2009, 03:35 AM	#11
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	You have been given advice and you are not interested so do as you please and dont come back asking for advice on how to repair your lactating tits and limp dick. Nobody here will give you anymore advice so give up! Goodbye!

10-05-2009, 10:12 AM	#14
Sbox Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: . Posts: 4	WHY THE Hell does this guy who is 18 get more replies then someone like myself asking for advice/stories when ive been training for years and am 27 ? sigh cmon guys i want your opinions on my post

10-05-2009, 11:28 PM	#15
sus250maybe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17	Alright guys, hear me out. No emotional blackmail, nothing is forcing you Simply put: you dont wanna help me dont If you cant help me dont tell me i cant do it If you are gonna tell me why i shouldnt PROVE to me why i shouldnt, dont prove to me an 18 year old who fucked up. Prove to me an 18year old who fucked up with doing everything perfectly. A great PCT, constant test levels. Oh and as far as lactating tits go, thanks for the fucking advice man excuse my language but if you cant help me then dont go on commenting here

10-06-2009, 08:34 AM	#18
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	seriously if you used a couple great sups and an intense training regimin at your age people will accuse you of using steroids anyways... ive been accused of using them myself a few times. id recommend using a preworkout like whey isolate and NO explode(my fav) and a post workout homebrew with dextrose, whey and creatine mono (CEE if you can aford it and NEED IT) and a couple high fat HIGH PROTEIN shakes on morning on late evening steroids shut down your hormonal system. a shutdown at your age will send your entire system into a chaotic wobble furthermore, your connective tissue, and joints (which can hardly keep up without steroids) will NOT keep up with your gains and you WILL experience injuries as i said before use the supplements available (pre workout, whey, creatine, dextrose) lift weights seriously and throw in some HIIT a couple times a week (proven to increase anabolic hormones) and you WILL get accused of using AAS no need to hurt yourself 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-06-2009, 08:37 AM	#19
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	some studies show that glutamine increases natural anabolic hormones you can get a months worth at walmart for $10 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-06-2009, 08:38 AM	#20
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	fish oil helps support a proper hormone balance, as well as increasing the circulatory systems ability to remove toxins and deliver aminos and other nutrients you can get a months worth at walmart for $10 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-06-2009, 08:39 AM	#21
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	whey protein has been proven to increase protein synthesis you can get a months worth at walmart for $20 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-06-2009, 08:41 AM	#22
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	creatine and dextrose, especially when used directly post workout have been proven to help replinish and volumize skelital muscular cells creatine has even been proven to increase protein synthesis you can get a months worth of "professional creatine" (a dextrose, maltodextrin, creatine blend) at walmart for $20 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-06-2009, 10:59 PM	#23
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	^^^Im guessing you shop at walmart frequently!

10-06-2009, 11:37 PM	#24
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	Well, I was chatting with our friend sus250maybe by PM, trying to get him to tighten up his diet and his training before starting this premature cycle he wants to run, but in conversation I let slip that ... I'm a woman! <gasp!> He promptly stopped answering my PMs. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-07-2009, 12:25 AM	#25
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	i do shop at walmart regularly, but i typically order my suplements online... they are EVEN CHEAPER that way... i was just trying to let this young fella know that the supplements he should be taking are proven, safe, cheap, and easily accessible 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-07-2009, 12:27 AM	#26
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,233 Photos: 6	BUILT YOUR A WOMAN!!! i think im going to go subscribe to mens health, buy some muscletech products, and NEVER LOG ON TO IRONMAGAZINE AGAIN edit for our young reader (not that muscletech products are that bad, if you can afford them and have realistic expectations) at least they are safe! 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

10-07-2009, 02:33 AM	#28
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	Come on Marianne, everybody knows women cant possibly know anything about bodybuilding. You're quite obviously a man pretending to be a woman! THE JIG IS UP! http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-07-2009, 04:15 AM	#29
jmorrison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 325	No one is buying the whole "woman" thing. Your abs obviously belong to a cyborg male from the future. You should bang this chick like a mountain gorilla ~ ROID

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