20 week cycle?

urbanimal · 11-02-2009, 08:07 PM

I am sitting about 20 weeks away from my second bodybuilding show. I did well last year, I placed in all 3 groups I entered. Last year I was 197 16-18% BF when I dieted down to 165.4. I was probably about 5% bf. Which could have been better.

So now I am in a much better spot for my second contest. I am 195 around 12-10% BF much bigger legs and back. I am ready to get back on gear here is what i am considering:

5'9" 195 12% BF, been lifting 11 years.

wk 1-5 50mg/day wk 1-2.. 60mg wk 3 and 70wk 4
wk 1-20 test E 500mg / wk
wk 3-12 tren e 250/wk
wk 12-18 winny 50mg/day

maybe some masteron at the end to harden up. I will start my precontest diet in about 8 weeks, so I am thinking that I need to work on my gains as much as possible within the next 8 weeks.

I am up for some thoughts or changes. Thanks.

Shadowcam · 11-03-2009, 01:27 AM

Why 20 weeks?

what are your previous cycles?

urbanimal · 11-03-2009, 07:33 AM

It's really a matter of timing, more than a desire to stay on longer. I have done probably 6 or 8 cycles before over the past 3 years. I never run IMO high doses, I also try to stay away from the orals for long periods of time. This would be my first time on this long of a cycle.

I couldn't figure any way to go off prior to the show. Hence 20 weeks.

**Pirate!** · 11-03-2009, 07:47 PM

What are you using wk 1-5?

Shadowcam · 11-04-2009, 01:21 AM

20 weeks is overkill imo! results will diminish after about twelve weeks plus your bodyfat is not too high so you shouldnt need that long to get in shape.

I would do something like this starting 12 weeks before your contest:

weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 50mg ed
weeks 1-12 Test Prop 75mg ed
weeks 6-12 Winny or Var 50mg ed
weeks 1-6 Caber 0.25 eod
weeks 1-12 Letro 0.5 eod

Masteron and Halo are nice additions to a contest cycle but Im not a fan of mixing too many drugs in one cycle so it really depends on what you have used before and what works for you.

urbanimal · 11-04-2009, 07:23 AM

Thanks for the advice. I have had good luck with dbol in the past. Running a dbol only cycle a few years back worked well for me. I also run dbol test cycles with good success. Didn't see much luck with Masteron in the past or Var. I tried Clen and that didn't do too much either. Never tried Winny so I am hoping that will help me.

I agree 20 weeks is a bit long, but I am thinking to adjust it so that I will run dbol/test for the first 4 weeks and then just bridge for 4 weeks with a low dose of test and then 12 weeks out kick the test/winny in and make adjustments at the end.

What do you think? I really hate to go off getting this close to the show.

Potential revised

wk 1-4 dbol 40/ed wk 1, 50/ed wk2, 60/ed wk 3-4
wk 1-4 test e 500/wk
wk 5-8 test e 250/wk
wk 9-20 test e 500/wk
wk 9-20 winny 50/ed

That keeps it simple. Still a bit long.

alexvega · 11-04-2009, 01:54 PM

20weeks to long IMO,.remember the mood changes.and the lipids changes.just advise

**Pirate!** · 11-04-2009, 10:02 PM

Why the bridge? I don't think 20 weeks is too long. If your diet and training is progressive, you can continue to see results--they may not be as rapid.

12 weeks of winny seems long, even though the dose is low. So you decided against tren?

Ramping up the dose of Dbol seems backward to me, but if it worked for you in the past, stick with it.

urbanimal · 11-05-2009, 08:11 AM

Thanks for the advice and comments. I decided to kick it off today.

wk 1-4 dbol 40/ed wk 1, 50/ed wk2, 60/ed wk 3-4
wk 1-4 test e 500/wk
wk 5-8 test e 250/wk
wk 9-20 test e 500/wk
wk 9-20 tren e 500/wk
wk 9-17 winny 50/ed

I figure I would shorten up on the winny at the end. If my bf isn't low enough, I am going to try some gh or something else just to get rid of the fat. Last year I did some OTC water pills, I didn't feel they worked that great. I was thinking of trying something else those last 2-3 days. Any suggestions? T-3?

11-02-2009, 08:07 PM	#1
urbanimal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 14	20 week cycle? I am sitting about 20 weeks away from my second bodybuilding show. I did well last year, I placed in all 3 groups I entered. Last year I was 197 16-18% BF when I dieted down to 165.4. I was probably about 5% bf. Which could have been better. So now I am in a much better spot for my second contest. I am 195 around 12-10% BF much bigger legs and back. I am ready to get back on gear here is what i am considering: 5'9" 195 12% BF, been lifting 11 years. wk 1-5 50mg/day wk 1-2.. 60mg wk 3 and 70wk 4 wk 1-20 test E 500mg / wk wk 3-12 tren e 250/wk wk 12-18 winny 50mg/day maybe some masteron at the end to harden up. I will start my precontest diet in about 8 weeks, so I am thinking that I need to work on my gains as much as possible within the next 8 weeks. I am up for some thoughts or changes. Thanks.

11-03-2009, 07:47 PM	#4
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Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Why the bridge? I don't think 20 weeks is too long. If your diet and training is progressive, you can continue to see results--they may not be as rapid. 12 weeks of winny seems long, even though the dose is low. So you decided against tren? Ramping up the dose of Dbol seems backward to me, but if it worked for you in the past, stick with it. My 1-Andro RX Journal

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11-03-2009, 01:27 AM	#2
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	Why 20 weeks? what are your previous cycles?

11-03-2009, 07:33 AM	#3
urbanimal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 14	It's really a matter of timing, more than a desire to stay on longer. I have done probably 6 or 8 cycles before over the past 3 years. I never run IMO high doses, I also try to stay away from the orals for long periods of time. This would be my first time on this long of a cycle. I couldn't figure any way to go off prior to the show. Hence 20 weeks.

11-04-2009, 01:21 AM	#5
Shadowcam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 506	20 weeks is overkill imo! results will diminish after about twelve weeks plus your bodyfat is not too high so you shouldnt need that long to get in shape. I would do something like this starting 12 weeks before your contest: weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 50mg ed weeks 1-12 Test Prop 75mg ed weeks 6-12 Winny or Var 50mg ed weeks 1-6 Caber 0.25 eod weeks 1-12 Letro 0.5 eod Masteron and Halo are nice additions to a contest cycle but Im not a fan of mixing too many drugs in one cycle so it really depends on what you have used before and what works for you.

11-04-2009, 07:23 AM	#6
urbanimal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 14	Thanks for the advice. I have had good luck with dbol in the past. Running a dbol only cycle a few years back worked well for me. I also run dbol test cycles with good success. Didn't see much luck with Masteron in the past or Var. I tried Clen and that didn't do too much either. Never tried Winny so I am hoping that will help me. I agree 20 weeks is a bit long, but I am thinking to adjust it so that I will run dbol/test for the first 4 weeks and then just bridge for 4 weeks with a low dose of test and then 12 weeks out kick the test/winny in and make adjustments at the end. What do you think? I really hate to go off getting this close to the show. Potential revised wk 1-4 dbol 40/ed wk 1, 50/ed wk2, 60/ed wk 3-4 wk 1-4 test e 500/wk wk 5-8 test e 250/wk wk 9-20 test e 500/wk wk 9-20 winny 50/ed That keeps it simple. Still a bit long.

11-04-2009, 01:54 PM	#7
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,231 Photos: 23	20weeks to long IMO,.remember the mood changes.and the lipids changes.just advise

11-05-2009, 08:11 AM	#9
urbanimal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 14	Thanks for the advice and comments. I decided to kick it off today. wk 1-4 dbol 40/ed wk 1, 50/ed wk2, 60/ed wk 3-4 wk 1-4 test e 500/wk wk 5-8 test e 250/wk wk 9-20 test e 500/wk wk 9-20 tren e 500/wk wk 9-17 winny 50/ed I figure I would shorten up on the winny at the end. If my bf isn't low enough, I am going to try some gh or something else just to get rid of the fat. Last year I did some OTC water pills, I didn't feel they worked that great. I was thinking of trying something else those last 2-3 days. Any suggestions? T-3?