Thread: Hgh advice needed please..

Danny, at the risk of coming across as condescending, are u sure this is really the route you want to take?

To me this seems like a bad idea. You are very light for 6,3 even for a boxer and u say u are out of shape, i'm guessing u r not a lean 156lbs. i think a little dedication in the gym and a well periodized program will get you back in fighting form without resorting to any short cuts.

HGH alone will yield disappointing results unless you are intending on using a very large dose or stacking with AAS both will compromise drugs tests.

i know there are a few members who will fill u in ,victor is one such guy who knows his stuff.

Thanks for the reply, I would like to give it a try just to bulk up a tad more than anything the stamina will come with running which shouldnt take to long to get back into a routine, the problem i have is more gaining the weight i eat a lot of chicken and fish and wholemeal pasta but just cant seem to gain any extra weight. i was sort of hoping there would be something i could use to help me more with gaining the extra weight with the added bonus of being able to train harder, Drug tests wont be an issue as i wouldnt be fighting competitively anyway. It could well be that Hgh isnt the answer and there is something better for me, i dont know as i say im a noob with all this. id like something just as a helping hand to get me the extra bit of weight and help me train harder to start with until i hit a reasonable level to go it without, but i dont want to put the extra weight on and lose speed and strength. To be honest im not looking to buy anything just yet more for advice first so i can see if i think it would benefit me really.

The last thing you need is drugs.

Eat
Train
Rest
Repeat

Tried that already Patrick but like i say i eat loads everyday and i dont gain weight, do you know of anything that will help wih that other than just eating because its not working for me, hence wanting to try a different approach. to be honest id much rather do things the natural way, saves me a lot of money, but when you have tried unsuccessfully to gain weight for years it sort of becomes annoying. Any ideas other than just eating more ??

I agree with Patrick and roastchicken.

Listen to these guys...they know their stuff.

Lol Im all ears mate, and im not denying these people know there stuff, I dont doubt they know a hell of a lot more than i do, but i would like some or any tips, supplement info or otherwise thats going to help me with gaining some weight other than people just saying eat, ive already listened to advice and knocked the HGH idea on the head. i just want to add a few lbs to my frame and ill do the training the old fashioned way, as recommended. Like i say tried that eating chicken fish and wholemeal and things like that for months and maybe gained 2lb at the very most. At the risk of sounding like an arse, can someone please offer some advice on any good methods, if im just going to get eat in every message then theres no point me being here really and might as well just read up as much as possible and try something, because like i say just eating alone is NOT working. All im asking for is advice on how to gain weight ill do the training naturally, but theres no point training hard without the extra weight to tone up, im just wasting time and money. Id really appreciate any good advice. thanks

OK so weight gain is your goal, this is a good thing to be able to isolate. Have you set a target weight and bf% ? if not do this first and perhaps post a thread asking for nutritional advice on bulking up. You would not believe how quickly somebody will help, there are a lot of people looking for similiar help too so don't be afraid to ask the obvious.

One thing that has always helped me get an extra edge on consuming excess calories is drinking whey protein with POWDERED OATS mixed in, this is a sure fire way to boost you cals/carbs, this allows you to not have to eat quite so huge portions when it comes to your main meals. just a wee tip

glad to help

RC

Thanks for the advice,ill give that a shot and see how i get on. I was looking for about 14-15lb that id like to gain really not to sure about Bf not sure how id work it out, but i dont want to get super ripped and huge really, apparently its not so good for a boxer. but more built for speed and maybe power lol. just quickly where would be the best place to ask for advice on nutrition, dont want to post in the wrong place again lol Anyway thanks again for the advice, much appreciated.

At the top right of this page click on forums, scroll down and you will see diet+nutrition this is definitely the place for you.

If your not sure where to start get a personal trainer, they can help you monitor body composition so you know your not gaining too much fat along with your muscle and if they're worth their salt they should be able to angle your nutrition/training program towards something boxing specific.

RC

Hey all,

I did this program about 7 years ago and it really does work. You will spend a lot on the myoplex/supplements, but if you follow it to a T, you will gain 2 pounds or more of muscle per week. You do the math on 12 weeks.

I guess my membership has expired, but I just want to download the blank workout spreadsheets so I can get started again. Anyone know how I can contact Ellis' customer service without becoming a member again for $97? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Danny2010

Tried that already Patrick

At 6'3'' and a tiny 156lbs it is clear you did not try at all.

Post your training program and diet in detail, give us the time frame also......ie how long you trained consistently with weights....in weeks, months or years.

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

The last thing you need is drugs.

Eat
Train
Rest
Repeat

This is the best advice IMO. ^^^^

First off your are not going to gain any mass with HGH alone it should be used with at least Test. It gives better results for muscle mass in conjunction with an anabolic.
Secondly, it sounds though that you are way out of shape to run a cycle.
Third you need to gain at least 30 lbs more with diet and training only and then think about a possible cycle in a couple of years.

I'd say work on finding how your body gains mass naturally. This will include finding your best fit of progressive resistance and how to time your intake of nutriants for lean gains among other things. You need to be an experimentalist. You need to learn YOUR body. These drugs are not magic. They are aids. They are good aids but not like the general public thinks of them. You still have to know how your body works for then to be properly utilized.

^ Word. I ate tons of protien for years, i got hella stronger but never much bigger. Carbs are my ticket, the more carbs i consumer the bigger i get, everyones body is different so you have to try many different methods to figure yourself out.

HGH isnt typically a mass gainer unless stacked with insulin or AAS. If you were to use it you would have to use it for several months before you notice the results and the results you would get would be leanness, not muscle mass. Ive heard alot of people talking about HGH thinking that it will make them hyuge, and i have to crush there hopes and dreams every time. Besides you need at least 1k to get enough hgh to run it long enough to get these "magic" results that everyone talks about. Its not a real quick type drug, is more of a " In the long run" type drug.

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

At 6'3'' and a tiny 156lbs it is clear you did not try at all.

Post your training program and diet in detail, give us the time frame also......ie how long you trained consistently with weights....in weeks, months or years.

Man did you even read the the first post? with all due respect it is clear that you have not, you dont know anything about me so how can you say i havent tried, if your just gonna patronise me its your silly comments then please take your advice and fuck right off with it, everyone else has offered good info and been helpful, you have just come to act like a dick. How is it clear i didnt try? if you have nothing helpful to say then again please keep you opinions to your self and piss off and bother someone else!

Originally Posted by downtown

^ Word. I ate tons of protien for years, i got hella stronger but never much bigger. Carbs are my ticket, the more carbs i consumer the bigger i get, everyones body is different so you have to try many different methods to figure yourself out.

HGH isnt typically a mass gainer unless stacked with insulin or AAS. If you were to use it you would have to use it for several months before you notice the results and the results you would get would be leanness, not muscle mass. Ive heard alot of people talking about HGH thinking that it will make them huge, and i have to crush there hopes and dreams every time. Besides you need at least 1k to get enough hgh to run it long enough to get these "magic" results that everyone talks about. Its not a real quick type drug, is more of a " In the long run" type drug.

Thanks for the info, Im not actually looking to get huge though. The idea was for something to help me train a bit harder more than anything, id like to gain a few lb and the HGH was suggested as something that could help. Id rather not use anything but like i say i seen to have trouble gaining weight with lots of protine intake. It is neither a hope or a dream of mine to get huge, or take HGH. For anyone reading this I AM A BOXER NOT LOOKING TO GET HUGE !!!!! (so please can people stop with the getting huge thing) All i want to do is gain an extra few lb to tone up STEADILY hopefully keeping any speed and power. HGH was suggested to me by a friend at my gym, I dont know much about it and am not really bothered about taking it, i was just looking for information that was all. Thank you to everyone who offered good advice though, and thank you even to everyone who left useless comments talking to me like a lazy idiot, you have just proved how many simple minded arseholes (who dont read whats written) use these forums, Good work.

Originally Posted by Danny2010

Man did you even read the the first post? with all due respect it is clear that you have not, you dont know anything about me so how can you say i havent tried, if your just gonna patronise me its your silly comments then please take your advice and fuck right off with it, everyone else has offered good info and been helpful, you have just come to act like a dick. How is it clear i didnt try? if you have nothing helpful to say then again please keep you opinions to your self and piss off and bother someone else!

Please do not get upset, Patrick has a very good point that others may not be pointing out to you just out of politeness. He is being frank about the fact that at 6'3' and 156lbs your efforts to even gain a small amount of lbm by yourself has not worked. Obviously you realise this otherwise you would not have asked for the help of IM Members.

Have you posted in the diet+nutrition forum yet? If you don't show any initiative how can you expect others to be bothered to take an interest in your goals?

Where in the UK are you based?

RC

Listen Danny, if you cant gain weight naturally what makes you think HGH is going to help? Mass comes from calories, hgh or no hgh, if your not eating enough you WILL NOT GAIN!

You need to track your calories on caloriecount.com every single day and see what what your intake is, if your not gaining on 3000 / day then up to 3500.. rinse and repeat. You have to be consistent when it comes to bulking, its no good eating loads for a couple days and then going back to your normal eating habbits after, this is the reason 9 out of 10 people fail at bulking.

I understand the not wanting to get huge part, i have a few friends that do MMA and they had the same idea. But HGH is most likely going to shed a few pounds off of you, and like i said its SUPER EXPENSIVE for most people, like 300-400 dollars for 100units, and that wont last long since you need 20 units a week minimum for postitive effects, and it takes 6 weeks or longer to even begin to see results.

I think a good product for your goal would be Anabolic Pump, i used it a while back and it was awesome, i was constantly hungery and had good strength/ endurance all day and i held a pump for hours. I added a good 12lbs in 2 months in iraq using AP and pounding food, and going to the gym of course.