Thread: Running gear with no training???

softball is a tough sport, massive steroid use is a necessity.

if you take gear go to gym man or do some cardio!

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I know of a few guys running gear, and decent quantites, but they don't train. They are just softball players. I know of 2 doing Test C & Winnie. What's the point? What benefits could they be getting out of it?

Alot of sports players use steroids and don't weight train gives them the edge
Lot of MMA fighters juice and don't bodybuild getting big muscles is not good for being a pro fighter, juices helps with endurance, speed, recovery ect....

The benefits are increased mood, energy, libido, LBM, strength, power, IGF-1 levels, muscle size, and fat free mass to name a few.

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

softball is a tough sport, massive steroid use is a necessity.

bwaaaahhahahahaha.....

I heard steroid use in softball bar leagues is pretty bad.

From 99-2003, I played A/Major level softball and I was paid anywhere from $200 to $1000 per weekend plus travel (airfare, rental car & hotel). And many make considerably more than that. Lots of them use, but they train their asses off. I just wanted to know the benefits of using and not training. These guys aren't exactly beer leaguers.

I remember a 6 week forced hiatus (pretty bad leg injury) that kept me out of the gym, I cycled to try and keep what I had and I lost a lot starting past week 2. Weighed stayed about the same but I looked like shit comparitively, and I felt like shit about it. Got it back quickly, but drugs alone don't do much for MOST people.

Most of us at 17 for example have pretty raging T levels, and most of us didn't look like much without work.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

From 99-2003, I played A/Major level softball and I was paid anywhere from $200 to $1000 per weekend plus travel (airfare, rental car & hotel). And many make considerably more than that. Lots of them use, but they train their asses off. I just wanted to know the benefits of using and not training. These guys aren't exactly beer leaguers.

The benefits are huge. Check out this study where no training was performed at all.

Testosterone cycle design

Almost weekly someone posts on the Chemical Enhancement forum asking about first cycle advice. The most common questions are; “what steroid should I take?” “How long should I take it?” and “What will the effects be?” There are literally dozens of steroids available and that makes it difficult for a first time user to choose. The following information will attempt to provide enough information for a first time user to make an educated decision about anabolic androgenic steroid use.
Testosterone is one of the most effective, safe and available steroids today, therefore I believe Testosterone is the best first cycle choice. The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline
IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. The following graph demonstrates that testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.

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