Thread: Constructive criticism needed

switch the tren and test, to test prop, and tren ace. At 8 weeks your barely going to get the really good effects before you stop. they take a while to kick in.

Adex will lower estro and since estro causes gyno I would load that rather than the Nolva pre cycle. 0.5mg adex ed all cycle as well.

Use the Nolva if gyno presents.

Nolva just blocks the effects of estro in breast tissue but circulating estro stays high so the adex is the best med.

Originally Posted by Geared Jesus

Wait....a size 6?

Are you a dude or a chick?

At 135, this has to be a chick.

Originally Posted by heavyiron.

Adex will lower estro and since estro causes gyno I would load that rather than the Nolva pre cycle. 0.5mg adex ed all cycle as well.

Use the Nolva if gyno presents.

Nolva just blocks the effects of estro in breast tissue but circulating estro stays high so the adex is the best med.

First of all, thank you guys so much ! This is truly a great forum, been reading for about 2 hours now, very nice people around here. I'll stick around.

Thanks for your advice, I'll add Adex to the pre cycle then as well. But you say Nolva hinders estro effects in breast tissue, wouldn't it be good if I kept that then as well, just to be sure ?



About the other guy joking about my weight again! Yeah I'm a guy, I explained why I am so light and besides that, there wouldn't be much of a point in a cycle if it wasn't to add weight.

Thanks everyone ! I'll spend more time reading this great forum and come up with an updated version of this cycle soon. (and prob tons of new questions :P)

Originally Posted by Beefaroni

First of all, thank you guys so much ! This is truly a great forum, been reading for about 2 hours now, very nice people around here. I'll stick around.

Thanks for your advice, I'll add Adex to the pre cycle then as well. But you say Nolva hinders estro effects in breast tissue, wouldn't it be good if I kept that then as well, just to be sure ?



About the other guy joking about my weight again! Yeah I'm a guy, I explained why I am so light and besides that, there wouldn't be much of a point in a cycle if it wasn't to add weight.

Thanks everyone ! I'll spend more time reading this great forum and come up with an updated version of this cycle soon. (and prob tons of new questions :P)

If you dial in your aromatase inhibitor you won't need the SERM.

6' and 135 after a cycle, no wonder steroids are illegal.


Thanks for making the witch hunt seem justified.

Why do you want to do all of this when you say you are a long distance runner? Go train in the mountains, and your all set.

No offence but if your not wanting to carry around more weight, then a cycle is useless to u. and y the hell do u want dbol in ur cycle if u want to stay light lol

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

6' and 135 after a cycle, no wonder steroids are illegal.


Thanks for making the witch hunt seem justified.

You obviously didn't read my post. My first cycle was almost 3 years ago. I was around 168 after PCT. (Put on 20lbs lean while lowering BF)
I've had to take a long break due to an injury ever since and again I'm not a body builder, I'm a long distance runner. 175lbs is the max. I'd ever want to be.
I'm returning from this said injury right now (well last November to be accurate)
And I need to focuse on sprints and endurance a lot for my sport, this makes it hard to put on weight for me, I do almost 3 hours of cardio a day, sometimes more.
You have to understand that this is a different thing than body building. I can't do the 5000 calorie a day bulk right now, if it was October I'd do it. But I need to be ready for competitions in summer, so I need LEAN body weight, every ounce of fat will make running harder.

Originally Posted by gearhead10

No offence but if your not wanting to carry around more weight, then a cycle is useless to u. and y the hell do u want dbol in ur cycle if u want to stay light lol

I've answerd that question in my first post. I want more weight (about 10 -20lbs) and I want it quick (within 3 months) and on top of all that I want to cut my BF down to 3%. Thats impossible if you want to do this natural.

Again, thanks everyone for their input, I appreciate it. I'm working on a improved / updated cycle and will post that soon.

You're from Nebraska, stick to corn and LHJO

Originally Posted by Beefaroni

You obviously didn't read my post. My first cycle was almost 3 years ago. I was around 168 after PCT. (Put on 20lbs lean while lowering BF)
I've had to take a long break due to an injury ever since and again I'm not a body builder, I'm a long distance runner. 175lbs is the max. I'd ever want to be.
I'm returning from this said injury right now (well last November to be accurate)
And I need to focuse on sprints and endurance a lot for my sport, this makes it hard to put on weight for me, I do almost 3 hours of cardio a day, sometimes more.
You have to understand that this is a different thing than body building. I can't do the 5000 calorie a day bulk right now, if it was October I'd do it. But I need to be ready for competitions in summer, so I need LEAN body weight, every ounce of fat will make running harder.

Trenbolones are not what an endurance athlete wants in his cycle. Tren is known to negatively impact endurance. You would be better off with equipoise as it has a tendency to add RBCs and increase endurance whilst avoiding significant water retention. Also, you may wish to avoid large doses as this can also negatively impact endurance. I would do something like 300 mg test and 300 mg equipoise.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

Trenbolones are not what an endurance athlete wants in his cycle. Tren is known to negatively impact endurance. You would be better off with equipoise as it has a tendency to add RBCs and increase endurance whilst avoiding significant water retention. Also, you may wish to avoid large doses as this can also negatively impact endurance. I would do something like 300 mg test and 300 mg equipoise.

Yea I've decided to drop the Tren, it was something I wanted to try out of curiosity cause it might come in handy in future cutting cycles. Equip sounds interesting, have to do a little more research on that though.
From what it looks like right now I might make this a simple Test and Dbol thing, it'll probably be enough to add 10 -20lbs. Give me a day or two to come up with a new plan.

Once again, thanks everyone for the input.

What Glycomann said. EQ is a much better choice than tren for rbc counts with it you could probably also add enough weight without using Dbol and have much less chance of gyno.