Thread: Anadrol Cycle and Stacking

I think 8 weeks of oral steroids is a bad idea . . and your pct doesnt make sense

Lets see here Anadrol 50, Winny and T-bol, hummmmmmmmm. Not to sound mean, but I don't think you know what your doing. Next v

Originally Posted by CaptRichArund

I think 8 weeks of oral steroids is a bad idea . . and your pct doesnt make sense

Where do people get this info from there has never been any thing with proof written that doing a oral cycle for 8 weeks or more harmful.
I ran anadrol for 10 weeks with test and deca had regular bloodwork taken
and the results were the same as when I ran test and deca alone.
Not sure who makes the rules to many parrots these days.

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf

Where do people get this info from there has never been any thing with proof written that doing a oral cycle for 8 weeks or more harmful.
I ran anadrol for 10 weeks with test and deca had regular bloodwork taken
and the results were the same as when I ran test and deca alone.
Not sure who makes the rules to many parrots these days.

post retracted.

Lone Wolf ran anadrol w. inj for 10 weeks, results were the same as when he ran inj alone.

GHCH

People? Im saying his cycle dont make any since and yes I have ran Anadrol or D-bol for 8 weeks, nothing wrong with that, but I perfer 6 weeks at a 100mg to 120mgs ed

wolf is correct, in that there is too little actual published human studies, and too much 'bro science'

thanks for the response i might not run winstrol i might just run the anadrol for a month and then pct after it.

I guess im the one who is gonna rain on your parade. This all oral cycle, is going to bring about some good quick gains, but sadly they will all be gone within 2 months after the cycle is over. If you would like to keep the gains i would recommend using test E or test C for 12 weeks with this cycle. That should help solidify the gains and give your body enough time to adjust to the new muscle so that after a good pct you should retain a good amount of your gains.

On the other hand the only oral cycle ive ever done that has left permanent gains was a 8 week tbol cycle, but that was only cuz i couldnt get pins into Iraq, but i had a pretty agressive pct for it too.

A rule of thumb that i go by is, the faster the gains come the faster they can go.

If any of you had to put a cycle together using Anadrol 50mg oral tablets what would your stacking cycle look like? just curious?

Originally Posted by kitigers38

If any of you had to put a cycle together using Anadrol 50mg oral tablets what would your stacking cycle look like? just curious?

LOTS of testosterone and a little anadrol.

i personally like TONs of Test, and Lots of anadrol.

But not many people agree with my doses.

Originally Posted by downtown

i personally like TONs of Test, and Lots of anadrol.

But not many people agree with my doses.

What doses?

You are too young and looking at your lifts you are years away from being ready for a cycle.

Post your training program in DETAIL, and tell us hoe many years you have been lifting weights. An idea of your diet would also be helpful.

Originally Posted by heavyiron.

What doses?

When it comes to test> i dose in grams, test doesnt give me any negative sides so im lucky there. Plus high doses of test make ya feel like a damn silver back gorilla.

With anadrol> 100mgs-150mgs ED, drol does spike my bp for about an hour once it kicks in, so i treat that side pre-emtively. I use Liv 52, milk thistle, NAC, and sometimes UDCA depending on doses and how long i plan on running it. Usually only 3 weeks sometimes 4 weeks at most.

Drol by itself doesnt really do much for me anyways, ive tried using it to bridge a cycle, didnt work out to well without having a good test base in there.

I eat as healthy as I can while still trying to bring in around 5000 calories. I eat lots of egg whites toast oatmeal, OJ, bacon, turkey, chicken, potatoes, Fruit, water, nuts. I try to do what I can on a college dime.

I am working out to try and train and go to the US Bobsledding combine. Im lifting 5 days a week and running about 3-5 also. I am doing a lot of cleans, squats and power lifts (push jerk, snatch, etc.)

Originally Posted by kitigers38

I eat as healthy as I can while still trying to bring in around 5000 calories. I eat lots of egg whites toast oatmeal, OJ, bacon, turkey, chicken, potatoes, Fruit, water, nuts. I try to do what I can on a college dime.

I am working out to try and train and go to the US Bobsledding combine. Im lifting 5 days a week and running about 3-5 also. I am doing a lot of cleans, squats and power lifts (push jerk, snatch, etc.)

Sorry for asking but im just curious how dont you get cought when you are doing steroids and playing footbal/trying out for bobsleding. Did u play D1 football?

yea i played D1aa just never got tested and havent taken anadrol yet im not playing football anymore.

Originally Posted by kitigers38

Hey Im 21 year old and used to play college football. I have done prohormones in the past such as Havoc, Epistane, FinaFlex 550. I am about to do my first cycle of Anadrol. I have had some confusion about what to run with it and this is what I have came up with. Please feel free to comment or give me suggestions.

Anadrol- 50mg/day 1-4 weeks
T-bol- 6 pills a day 1-4 weeks
Nolva- 25mg/day 3-7 weeks
Winstrol 50mg/day 4-8 weeks
Joint Support 1-8 weeks
Milk Thistle 1-8 weeks
Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support 1-8 weeks

What do you think??

Stats:

Bench 295
Clean 308
Squat 415

VERY BAD CYCLE!!
i dont rec oral onyl cycles plus how you have it set up is a mess, you have a PCT (or what would seem to be one) inbetween the cycle? and then still orals another week then no pct?
you should not to this cycle. I rec test only.
500mg ew for 12 or 14 weeks and a PCT.
here is a test i like and info:
Testosterone enanthate

Quick overview:
Active Life: 15-16 days
Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
Average Dose: Men 250-1000 mg/week
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: Yes, high
High Blood Pressure: Yes
Liver Toxic: Low, except in mega dosages
Aromatization:Yes, high
DHT Conversion: Yes, high
Decrease HPTA function: Yes, severe

Testosterone enanthate is an oil based injectable steroid, designed to slowly release testosterone from the injection site (depot). Once administered, serum concentrations of this hormone will rise for several days, and remain markedly elevated for approximately two weeks. It may actually take three weeks for the action of this drug to fully diminish. For medical purposes this is the most widely prescribed testosterone, used regularly to treat cases of hypogonadism and other disorders related to androgen deficiency. Since patients generally do not selfadminister such injections, a long acting steroid like this is a very welcome item. Therapy is clearly more comfortable in comparison to an ester like propionate, which requires a much more frequent dosage schedule.

Testosterone is a powerful hormone with notably prominent side effects. Much of which stem from the fact that testosterone exhibits a high tendency to convert into estrogen. Related side effects may therefore become a problem during a cycle. For starters, water retention can become quite noticeable. This can produce a clear loss of muscle definition, as subcutaneous fluids begin to build. The storage of excess body fat may further reduce the visibility of muscle features, another common problem with aromatizing steroids. The excess estrogen level during/after your cycle also has the potential to lead up to gynecomastia. Adding an ancillary drug like Nolvadex and/or Proviron is therefore advisable to those with a known sensitivity to this side effect. The anti-aromatase Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin are a much better choices though. It is believed that the use of an anti-estrogen can slightly lower the anabolic effect of most androgen cycles (estrogen and water weight are often thought to facilitate strength and muscle gain), so one might want to see if such drugs are actually necessary before committing to use. A little puffiness under the nipple is a sign that gynecomastia is developing. If this is left to further develop into pronounced swelling, soreness and the growth of small lumps under the nipples, some form of action should be taken immediately to treat it (obviously quitting the drug or adding ancillaries like Nolvadex).

Being a testosterone product, all the standard androgenic side effects are also to be expected. Oily skin, acne, aggressiveness, facial/body hair growth and male pattern baldness are all possible. Older or more sensitive individuals might therefore choose to avoid testosterone products, and look toward milder anabolics like DecaDurabolin or Equipoise which produce fewer side effects. Others may opt to add the drug Proscar/Propecia, which will minimize the conversion of testosterone into DHT (dihydrotestosterone). With blood levels of this metabolite notably reduced, the impact of related side effects should also be reduced. With strong bulking drugs however, the user will generally expect to incur strong side effects and will often just tolerate them. Most athletes really do not find the testosterones all that uncomfortable (especially in the face of the end result), as can be seen with the great popularity of such compounds.

Although this particular ester is active for a much longer duration, most prefer to inject it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis in order to keep blood levels stable. The usual dosage would be in the range of 250mg-750mg a week. This level is quite sufficient, and should provide the user a rapid gain of strength and body weight. Above this level estrogenic side effects will no doubt become much more pronounced, possibly outweighing any new muscle gained. Those looking for greater bulk would be better served by adding an oral like Anadrol or Dianabol, combinations which prove to work great. If one wishes to use a testosterone yet retain a level of quality and definition to the physique, an injectable anabolic like DecaDurabolin or Equipoise may prove to be a better choice. Here we can use a lower dosage of enanthate, so as to gain an acceptable amount of muscle but keep the buildup of estrogen to a minimum.

With the proper administration of ancillary drugs, Nolva/Clomid and HCG, during post cycle recovery, much of the new muscle mass can be retained for a long time after the cycle has been stopped.

Taken from:anabolic-bodybuilding .com/forum/

Thanks for the response man i appreciate it. Its always good to get feed back from people. Im trying to learn on the fly here. I know im gonna catch a lot of heat for this but i mean i already have the anadrol in hand so Im kinda trying to build a cycle around that. I have seen that most people use Test E or Test C while on anadrol and use nolvadex as the PCT. So if you had to build a cycle around Anadrol oral tablets that are 50 mg a piece what would you have it look like?

I think i kinda sorted out my cycle.

Anadrol 50mg/day 1-4 weeks
Test C 200 mg 1-8 weeks
Cycle Assist 1-8 weeks
T-bol 1-4 weeks **is this necessary?
Aromasin 8-12 weeks injectable
HCG 8-12 weeks
Nolvadex 8-12 weeks
Milk thistle 1-8 weeks
Joint Support 1-8 weeks

Test needs to be higher. 400mg a week at least although 600 would be better.

you dont need the tbol, and i doubt your aromasin is injectable. this is all you need to do, K.I.S.S.

Test E 500mgs weeks 1-10 or longer
Anadrol 50mgs ED weeks 1-4 or 1-6
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50
AI if you want one.

This is a bare bones basic cycle, it doesnt have to be complicated.

Originally Posted by downtown

When it comes to test> i dose in grams, test doesnt give me any negative sides so im lucky there. Plus high doses of test make ya feel like a damn silver back gorilla.

With anadrol> 100mgs-150mgs ED, drol does spike my bp for about an hour once it kicks in, so i treat that side pre-emtively. I use Liv 52, milk thistle, NAC, and sometimes UDCA depending on doses and how long i plan on running it. Usually only 3 weeks sometimes 4 weeks at most.

Drol by itself doesnt really do much for me anyways, ive tried using it to bridge a cycle, didnt work out to well without having a good test base in there.

This is a great study from Dr P.

Phase III randomized double blind placebo control. It shows anadrol works great for adding mass in hiv patients, but 100 mg is just as good as 150 mg ed. Plus, they do liver panels out to 16 weeks. 150 mg is worse on the liver than 100. About 25-28% of people show 5x normal liver enzyme values at 16 weeks. Liver issues start creeping in at 12 weeks.

Again, this is another clear indication that more is not better.

AIDS. 2003 Mar 28;17(5):699-710. Links

Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial of oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV wasting.

Hengge UR, Stocks K, Wiehler H, Faulkner S, Esser S, Lorenz C, Jentzen W, Hengge D, Goos M, Dudley RE, Ringham G.
STD-Unit, Department of Dermatology and Venerology, University of Essen, Germany. ulrich.hengge@uni-duesseldorf.de

BACKGROUND: Despite highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART), chronic involuntary weight loss still remains a serious problem in the care of HIV patients. Various alterations in energy metabolism and endocrine regulation have been found to cause loss of lean body mass (LBM) and body cell mass (BCM). Previous studies in HIV-positive men undergoing androgen replacement therapy or treatment with recombinant growth hormone (rGH) have shown partial restoration of LBM, but these treatments have largely been ineffective in eugonadal individuals. STUDY DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 89 HIV-positive women and men with wasting assigned to the anabolic steroid oxymetholone [50 mg twice (BID) or three times daily (TID)] or placebo for 16 weeks followed by open-label treatment. STUDY ENDPOINTS: Body weight, bioimpedance measurements, quality of life parameters and appetite. RESULTS: Oxymetholone led to a significant weight gain of 3.0 +/- 0.5 and 3.5 +/- 0.7 kg in the TID and BID groups, respectively (P < 0.05 for each treatment versus placebo), whereas individuals in the placebo group gained an average of 1.0 +/- 0.7 kg. Body cell mass increased in the oxymetholone BID group (3.8 +/- 0.4 kg; P < 0.0001) and in the oxymetholone TID group (2.1 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.005), corresponding to 12.4 and 7.4% of baseline BCM, respectively. Significant improvements were noted in appetite and food intake, increased well-being and reduced weakness by self-examination. The most important adverse event was liver-associated toxicity. Overall, 35% of patients in the TID, 27% of patients in the BID oxymetholone group and no patients in the placebo group had a greater than five times baseline increase for alanine aminotransferase during the double-blind phase of the study. CONCLUSIONS: Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The BID (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective as the TID (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM and BCM and was associated with less, but still significant liver toxicity.

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

You are too young and looking at your lifts you are years away from being ready for a cycle.

Post your training program in DETAIL, and tell us hoe many years you have been lifting weights. An idea of your diet would also be helpful.

I agree with this...and wonder why replies are even given without asking for detailed stats?

Originally Posted by rahaas

I agree with this...and wonder why replies are even given without asking for detailed stats?

Because these meds are commonly prescribed to patients who don't train with weights AT ALL.

Umm i dont take anadrol for 16 weeks or even close to it, im just saying....... But more test is always better IMO, as long as your not getting sides from it.

Originally Posted by downtown

Umm i dont take anadrol for 16 weeks or even close to it, im just saying....... But more test is always better IMO, as long as your not getting sides from it.

150mg is no more effective than 100mg in the above trial was the point I was driving at since you posted using up to 150mg.

^ i dont typically use 150mgs, just when ive been on for a while it seems to take more to get the same effect, proly the build up of myostatin.