Thread: HELP!! My first Cycle

Although i havent been in the game for that long, i have never seen a cycle like this....34 week cycle with no Test???

Is this your first cycle?

Originally Posted by Hammer-She-Rides

Although i havent been in the game for that long, i have never seen a cycle like this....34 week cycle with no Test???

Is this your first cycle?

I got this information from the famous book "Chemical Muscle Enhancement of Author L. Rea.
In the end, they are concatenated 4 cycles with 2 PCT

It is my first cycle and I am the second injection of Deca 200mg/week

I realize that it came from a book.
This cycle looks very dangerous to attempt....You do know that you will have a limp dick for a year right?

WOW I thought I was ambitious. Maybe just throw in a half gallon of scotch and a hand full of vikes ed also. At least then u wont have to wait long for your liver to shut down. Why not try a 6-8 week cycle first and see how that goes

Ok ,I understand but do you recommend? I have already done 2 weeks with deca 200mg/week.
I have another 2 ampoules of 200mg deca and 8 Primobolan 100mg ampoules and many capsules oxandrolone.

without any test your wasting good money friend. You can make some gains without it but they wont be what they could be. Also deca-dick aint no joke without test there will be zero chance of sex

Exclude the possibility of having sex, not having a girlfriend now.
I could combine do this:
WEEK 1-4 DECA 200mg/week
WEEK 4-8 (Primobolan Depot 200mg / w - Oxandolone 25-35mg / d)
and after PCT

k add some test enth and your gtg

But it is necessary, I am already at 2 weeks of deca 200mg/week.
If I order the products it takes 14 days to arrive.
What should I do? I have these products:
120cps BROCRIPTIN
100cps OXANDROLONE 10mg
30 cps CLOMID 50mg
60cps PROVIMED
100 cps PROSCAR 1mg
50cps TAMOXIMED 10MG
2amp(1ml) NANDROLONA-D 200MG/ML
8amp(1ml) PRIMOBOL 100MG/ML

Can you please advise on what to do and what to order? and for the PCT?

Uggh man, you should probably stop now and wait... Deca only is not a good thing to do. See if Victor or HeavyIron can give you some advice..

Originally Posted by LikeARock

Uggh man, you should probably stop now and wait... Deca only is not a good thing to do. See if Victor or HeavyIron can give you some advice..

yeah i totally agree im not sure what to do if you cant get test I've never been therebro

How do I stay?
I did the second injection of 200mg deca yesterday.
I stop immediately, but what do I do? I should make a little PCT with Clomid? help!

I really dont know if I were you I'd contact a moderator here and ask for some advice. I could tell you what I'd do but I'm not you and I dont know your history. I dont wanna tell you something that fucks you up. contact a moderator and next time do some research BEFORE you start shooting shit into yourself

From what I've gathered is that you were doing 200mg/week of deca and you just did your second shot yesterday? If you stop now you'll be fine. You gotta do your research first though man.. Look at the stickies in this thread and do some looking around on google; than post your proposed cycle so that people with some actual knowledge can critique it for you..

sure, that I can stay? HTPA but not down?
You do not have any short-PCT? (clomid, nolva or provimed)

Get some testosterone and add that to the deca. If it takes a few weeks for the test that is fine.

400-500mg testosterone weekly
200mg Deca weekly

If I order the "Testosterone" it takes 14 days to arrive.
I have these products:
120cps BROCRIPTIN
100cps OXANDROLONE 10mg
30 cps CLOMID 50mg
60cps PROVIMED
100 cps PROSCAR 1mg
50cps TAMOXIMED 10MG
2amp(1ml) NANDROLONA-D 200MG/ML
8amp(1ml) PRIMOBOL 100MG/ML

What I must do? Suspend all? HTPA but not down?
You do not have any short-PCT? (clomid, nolva or provimed)

Sorry for the huge annoyance.

Deca's Effect on HPTA

Q: In your first year sample cycles section for the male (In Chemical Muscle Enhancement), the cycle outlined for weeks 1-4 is 200 mg deca per week. now that much deca per week is less anabolic than what the natural test (HPTA) can produce (test being stronger than nandrolone mg to mg) . and because of the ester attached to nandrolone , 4 weeks long is hardly enough for blood levels to reach a constant level .

Also , how is deca easy on the HTPA , you go ahead and say post cycle meds are not necessary as deca is easy on the HTPA which we from multiple examples know is so not true , cases of testicular shrinkage , limp dick etc are so much reported normally on a deca only cycle sir . Can you please explain your logic behind this ??

You also mention cytomel increased cellular androgen receptor clearing (pg 181 and 182 in the book). How true is this sir ??

Looking forward to your answers to these questions sir , thanks .

A: Nandrolone is actually more anabolic but less androgenic than testosterone and as such allows an increase in muscle protein synthesis in excess of that seen with testosterone. So the next question should obviously be "why then does testosterone deliver more weight gain then nandrolone?" Since nandrolone is about 80% less affected by aromatase when compared to testosterone, it should seem obvious that the lack of GLUT-4 (increased muscle glycogen synthesis) activity will also result in a decrease in intracellular content but not cellular wall protein synthesis. Since we are speaking of post-cycle retention as well here we would be in error if we included the on-cycle increase in the body’s water table from estrogen/aldosterone resulting from the higher aromatizing testosterone in our comparison.

When we employ brief cycles of 4 weeks, a 200mg dosage of nandrolone decanoate would have an additive effect to the endogenous (naturally produced in the body) testosterone for the first 3 weeks. For a novice this accounts for about twice the normal rate of anabolism possible if diet is correct (anabolism is not potentiated unless the macronutrient environment is as well). Many do not realize that the body actually produces about 150mg of testosterone weekly. It circulates about 50mg of testosterone weekly, but it produces about 150mg. Much testosterone is lost to enzymic conversion to 4-androstenediols and various intermediates of DHT. So in essence we are creating a close hormone environment comparison to that realized at about week 6 of a 200mg each testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate protocol.

The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).

Normal

Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml

Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml

is true or not, I can follow as he says, are unlikely to inhibit HPTA with 200mg of Deca for 4 weeks?