Thread: test, winny, deca

if you had a little more test you'd have something reasonable . . .

try this:

wk1-10 400mg EW test (Enanth? Cyp?)
wk1-10 300mg EW deca (not optimum test/deca ratio)
wk 1-10 50mg EOD stan

PCT?

no pct, will it be necessary for the little amount of test and deca??

I would sell the winny, get another vial of test and deca and go with that. Or trade the winny for dbol or abombs, (test, deca , dbol or anadrol,) then u have a better combo.

Originally Posted by rrrjjj

no pct, will it be necessary for the little amount of test and deca??

Yes, goddam it! Do your homework - there are sticky threads outlining proper PCT. There are sponsors at IM that sell research chems.

Originally Posted by weldingman

I would sell the winny, get another vial of test and deca and go with that. Or trade the winny for dbol or abombs, (test, deca , dbol or anadrol,) then u have a better combo.

get some trenbolone acetate and add it

I wouldn't bother running what you have, especially if the test is blended (T400).

Shutting down your own natural test for under 500mg e/w is a complete waste in my book. If you decide to go ahead and do it, cut the deca about two weeks before you stop taking the test.

You said you don't want to buy anymore and use only what you have. Do you have an AI? Perhaps some Proviron, Clomid or Nolva? Any plan to use HCG so your balls don't turn into the size of raisins?

Do it right, or don't do it at all, IMHO. Good luck.


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YOu don't need a PCT on just 10 weeks of a cycle.. it's way too short. You only need a PCT on 12 weeks of use.

Trust me kid

Originally Posted by Saney

YOu don't need a PCT on just 10 weeks of a cycle.. it's way too short. You only need a PCT on 12 weeks of use.

Trust me kid

I beg to differ and I would not trust your advice.

10 weeks of test, deca, and winny most certainly calls for PCT....and an AI along side it would be most beneficial.

You also need PCT for 6 week cycles as well. I don't know where your are getting your info from, but you are wrong. And lastly, just because someone doesn't "feel" that they need to run a PCT or an AI, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

You don't think deca dick is possible after 10 weeks of deca use?? It is, and there you can "trust me" on that fact.

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OP you have a lot to learn. You are short all your ancillaries. You need to get some SERMs and an AI at minimum. For your first cycle all you need is 400-5-00 mg of test per week along with a good AI to keep your estrogen in normal range. Using Adex at 0.5 mg every other day right from the start is generally a good idea. About 6 weeks in get your blood work done at PrivateMD labs. Get the delux antiaging panel done for 150 bucks to see where all your values are. Read up on all the tests. Get to the forums that have a doc that explains the blood work and what to look for. just because you have a bunch of drugs in your closet doesn't mean they can be formed into a good cycle. Using AAS can be done slip shot and get subpar results and poor health outcomes or you can do it right and get much better results with less risk to your health. If you are going to do this with your body you have to take responsibility. You have to learn what to do for yourself which means seeking out the correct information and asking the right people questions. After all it's your body and you only have one.

Originally Posted by Saney

YOu don't need a PCT on just 10 weeks of a cycle.. it's way too short. You only need a PCT on 12 weeks of use.

Trust me kid

Deca-Durabolin Nandrolone Decanoate Anabolic Steroids Profile has a pretty good read on this and I (not being an expert on this compound) found this part kinda interesting

Now for the worst news: Deca is a progestin (as are all nandrolones), unfortunately; it happens to stimulate the progesterone receptor 20% as well as progesterone itself (3), and this opens the door for many possible unwanted side effects (water retention, acne, etc...). It must be noted that most of those are rare, though. This also may be the major reason that Deca is such a suppressive drug when it comes to your natural testosterone levels. We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!



Due to the highly suppressive nature of Deca, I will speculate that testosterone in a deca-inclusive cycle needs to be run for at least 2 additional weeks upon cessation of Deca. We remember from the chart above that baseline testosterone levels took roughly a month to return. Hence, a nice long estered testosterone should be run about 2 weeks longer than deca, to prevent having a lag in time when the deca is not producing an anabolic effect, yet is still suppressing your natural testosterone levels. I´d also suggest that a particularly aggressive PCT be run after your cycle; nolvadex, HCG, and perhaps clomid should all be utilized in an effort to restore your natural hormone levels as quickly and efficiently as possible.

It would seem that it might be a safe bet to plan a PCT.

This thread caught my eye because it's been discussed as a possible to be used with the winny being replaced with T bol as a cutting plan. I'm very interested in what deca/NPP will do to a bodies recovery.

Originally Posted by rrrjjj

I have accumulated these bottles over the years intending to start and never have, none are expired, but will next year, i have:

2 bottles of 50/10 ml winny
1 bottle of 100 /10 ml winny
1 bottle of deca 300/10ml
1 bottle of test 400/10ml

this will be my first cycle and i am looking to gain 10 lbs and lose 10 lbs of fat.

i am currently 200lbs 5'11''with 16%bf. in pretty good shape.

I can only use what i have above, i dont have a way to get anymore, so what do y'all recommend?

anything will help, thanks.

Post deleted. PM this type of material.

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I need to be a little more Flamboyant Next time I use sarcasm. My apologies.

This is all you really need to get Jacked and Tan...

I am now thinking about doing only the winny, I dont want to shut down my test levels for the little quantity of test and deca i have.

I have read mixed reviews on doing winny solo, just looking to get ripped and maintian my current mass? is it a waste and should i just do natadrol instread?

i will do all clomid after and take the joint pills (forgot the name) during.

if you cant afford the nessary drugs to do your cycle right then dont bother doing it. but i liked weldermans, i think thats his screen name, my apologies if iam off a little on his name, but, sell your winny and stuff so you can get the needed equipment to run a great cycle. or trade yours for someone elses but if you cant do that then like vinny said just wait till you have suffient funds to do a cycle completely right. if i were you i would check around maybe you can do a switch but its not allowed on this board. good luck, if i had anything i wasnt using now i would give you it free no strings.

it has nothing to do with the money, i just dont know where to get the right gear and if i did i would love to put together the perfect cycle. so that is why i am wondering if the winny by itself is better than nothing?

You need a PCT. End. Of. Story.

Your using steroids, and you don't think you need a PCT cause "you don't know where to get it"

Spend 10 minutes and research, it will save your balls.

I am talking about not knowing where to get the gear, I will get the PCT prior to starting, i have learned that from all the research.

For now, I have decided to just do Natadrol (arragantly anabolic package) until i meet somebody in HOuston to help with what i am looking for.

Originally Posted by WFC2010

get some trenbolone acetate and add it

This is the worst advice EVER.