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    ~Aromasin Info~

    Interesting study that shows after ten days administration of 25mg aromasin ed led to a significant decrease in IGF-1 and IGFBP-3. IGFBP-3 is thought to be very important IGF-1's autocrine/paracrine action(direct localized effect in tissues such as skeletal muscle). However, at the 50mg dose it did not. In fact, it raised them. What is interesting is that levels of estrodiol, esterone, testosterone, and androstenedione did not change. Though triglycerides and cholesterol were negatively effect at 50mg ed. Aromasin also increased LH,FSH, testosterone, and androtenedione significantly after a single dose. This clearly shows it's benefit in PCT.

    Also important to note, is that after a single 25mg dose estrodiol levels began to rise again shortly before 24 hours after administration and significantly by 48 hours. This suggests ed dosing to be better than eod dosing to avoid uneven blood levels.

    A BIG side note, the study reports the half life to be only 8.9 hours in men, where as most places report the half life to be 27 hours which has been the case in women which the majority of studies have been performed. Apparently men metabolize this drug differently.

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    TABLE 2. Changes in hormone and lipid concentrations in study I: young male subjects received 25 or 50 mg exemestane daily for 10 days

    Assay Dose (mg) n Baseline (mean ± SD) End of 10-d treatment (mean ± SD) % Change from baseline (mean ± SD) P value (end - baseline)

    MG n BL End of 10d treatment % change P value
    Free testosterone (ng/dl) 25 11 9.5 ± 3.3 19.1 ± 4.7 117.0 ± 73.9 0.0001
    50 10 8.2 ± 2.9 19.4 ± 4.5 153.6 ± 94.6 0.0000
    DHEAS (ng/ml) 25 11 1561 ± 826 1662 ± 726 18.6 ± 39.9 0.4227
    50 9 1771 ± 909 1876 ± 840 2.8 ± 12.5 0.7804
    Cortisol (µg/dl) 25 9 10.2 ± 3.4 13.1 ± 2.7 37.9 ± 39.5 0.0080
    50 9 11.8 ± 6.6 11.3 ± 3.5 34.2 ± 104.0 0.7781
    SHBG (nmol/liter) 25 10 22 ± 7 18 ± 5 -20.6 ± 7.0 0.0003
    50 10 28 ± 20 19 ± 5 -18.9 ± 39.2 0.1756
    IGF-I (ng/ml) 25 11 533 ± 137 455 ± 80 -12.5 ± 11.1 0.0075
    50 10 491 ± 149 471 ± 118 2.0 ± 19.4 0.8197
    IGFBP-3 (ng/liter) 25 11 5.0 ± 0.9 4.6 ± 0.6 -7.0 ± 12.5 0.0878
    50 10 4.8 ± 0.5 4.7 ± 0.6 0.2 ± 8.1 0.9776
    Triglycerides (mg/dl) 25 11 89.9 ± 57.8 86.2 ± 49.4 -0.8 ± 26.4 0.5821
    50 10 118.5 ± 145.1 93.6 ± 51.1 28.0 ± 60.3 0.5634
    Cholesterol (mg/dl) 25 11 144 ± 11 142 ± 17 -1.3 ± 9.3 0.6513
    50 10 139 ± 15 145 ± 14 4.2 ± 6.3 0.0725
    Cholesterol HDL (mg/dl) 25 11 42 ± 11 42 ± 12 -1.0 ± 7.4 0.6938
    50 10 43 ± 11 41 ± 11 -4.1 ± 13.0 0.2796
    Cholesterol LDL (mg/dl) 25 11 107 ± 16 106 ± 15 0.4 ± 15.6 0.8423
    50 10 96 ± 25 108 ± 13 20.7 ± 48.1 0.1381

    I can't get the damn chart to stay neat!! It keeps bunching back up.

    Pharmacokinetics and Dose Finding of a Potent Aromatase Inhibitor, Aromasin (Exemestane), in Young Males
    Nelly Mauras, John Lima, Deval Patel, Annie Rini, Enrico di Salle, Ambrose Kwok and Barbara Lippe

    Nemours Children’s Clinic and Research Programs (N.M., J.L., A.R.), Jacksonville, Florida 32207; and University of Florida Health Sciences Center (D.P.) and Amersham Pharmacia Biotech (E.d.S., A.K., B.L.), Peapack, New Jersey 07977

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...urcetype=HWCIT

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    Interesting stuff! So I guess 10mg ED would be better than say 25mg EOD? Looking forward to using this stuff on my next run as Heavy praises this stuff. Thanks for the good read bro.

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    Pharmacokinetics and Dose Finding of a Potent Aromatase Inhibitor, Aromasin (Exemestane), in Young Males -- Mauras et al. 88 (12): 5951 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism -table 2

    Not sure the statistical significance is there for the IGF-1 lowering. Seems like about 12% but the baseline values were higher in the 25mg group.

    This excerpt is interesting on the reason for different suppression among genders;

    The maximum plasma concentration, time to achieve maximal concentrations and oral clearance for exemestane after oral administration of a single dose of 25 mg in the present study of males were similar to those reported for females (21, 22, 23). The terminal half-life in the present study (8.9 h) was considerably shorter than the published value of 27 h (23). The reason for this difference is not clear, but may be related to a true gender dependency possibly involving the volume of distribution (lower in males than females) and plasma or tissue protein binding (respectively, higher and lower in males). This finding may also be due to the lower sensitivity of the analytical methodology used in the previous studies (14 pg/ml by HPLC/RIA) (21).
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    Yes, the difference between me and women is striking. That is a huge difference in the half of the drug. This should make one aware, that often times we make assumptions based on studies that do not use human males with out some type of disorder. Most of the studies on AI's utilize women or animals and we tend to forget that men may not respond exactly and we should not take studies as gospel.

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    how do you think that Aromasin compares to others like Letrozole and Arimidex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    how do you think that Aromasin compares to others like Letrozole and Arimidex?
    Aromasin does a far better job getting rid of estogen, adex does a good job as well but aromasin takes care of nearly all of the estro concerns...or from what I've gathered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon_MD View Post
    Yes, the difference between me and women is striking. That is a huge difference in the half of the drug. This should make one aware, that often times we make assumptions based on studies that do not use human males with out some type of disorder. Most of the studies on AI's utilize women or animals and we tend to forget that men may not respond exactly and we should not take studies as gospel.
    Yeah I have posted on the gender differences myself but what caught my eye is the following language;

    This finding may also be due to the lower sensitivity of the analytical methodology used in the previous studies (14 pg/ml by HPLC/RIA) (21).

    This is saying the methods for measuring the womens levels may have been less accurate not that there is a difference between genders. Obviously they have not come to a conclusion but I am now wondering if there are any female studies using more accurate measurments.

    I never caught that sentence when I read this study before.
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    I know more than one person that use it on cycle and tested estradiol and it was still high. Wondering if it's too weak a drug in men to control estrogens when superphysiologic doses of aromatizing compounds are being used.

    edit: The number of individuals in this study was very low. It is difficult to believe that many of the data are significant at all. Most of the error exceed the average measured values. I would certainly take this study with a grain of salt.
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