Thread: Sustanon 250 Problems, Overall advice needed

Originally Posted by mccfinfan

I doubt the Feds are gonna kick in my door over the 20ml of Sust I have in my medicine cabinet, but none the less, duelly noted and I definetly won't post it again. I go on the Net only as needed and don't hang around on forums or regularly visit web sites, too damn busy for that.

Anyways

Victor, I know I'm too damn skinny. Lol My diet is something I'm really trying hard to work on. I've been taking Protien shakes 4 times daily totaling 160grams, as soon as I wake up, after noon, right before bed, and in the middle of the night. I also started eating like crazy everytime I get a chance (Though it's hard working 12 & 24 hour shifts on an ALS Ambulance). I've probably double my normal food intake (which isn't saying alot). I've been so used to keeping my weight down my whole life (Wrestled in High school, Was on the All Army boxing team, and have done MMA for 3 years since I got out). But after a 3rd shoulder surgery my fight career is over. So I wanna get heavy into weight lifting/body building.

I was told Test will greatly improve your desire to eat due to the added testosterone levels. I wish there was someway of posting Before and after pics.

It may be in my head, but after only 10 days and two shots, I do feel like I'm putting on muscle. I probably would credit that to the added food/protien.


Last question for you Victor.

What else should I be taking with my cycle? Should I add a supplement like Creatine? Ive wheats contradicting reports. Some say I should wait untill I stop to minimize losses after. Also, do I need Nolvadex or another similar product?


Again, thanks for all the advice. If it was in person I'd buy you a couple beers!

Both creatine and whey will help you along with several other supplements. Best used while on cycle. You will need nolva or clomid for PCT, HCG to prevent TA while on cycle. And above all, an AI would help and go a long way.

But going back to what I said, I really think you should work harder on your diet and hold off on the juice. Do you know what your daily caloric and protein intake are like? Post em up. Diet has to be perfect before you start or else you will be wasting time, money, and good gear.

/V

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Both creatine and whey will help you along with several other supplements. Best used while on cycle. You will need nolva or clomid for PCT, HCG to prevent TA while on cycle. And above all, an AI would help and go a long way.

But going back to what I said, I really think you should work harder on your diet and hold off on the juice. Do you know what your daily caloric and protein intake are like? Post em up. Diet has to be perfect before you start or else you will be wasting time, money, and good gear.

/V

Ill moniter and write down everything I eat for the next week to give you an accurate diet.

ANOTHER PROBLEM THOUGH!!!!

I took my 4th shot (2 1/2 weeks in), and I once again got ridiculously sick! I IM'd around 3pm in my L Butt check, correctly with a brand new sterile needle/syringe (Even decon the top of the bottle before I stick it like I do at work), waited 90 min, worked out, had an awesome workout lifting like an animal with crazy pumps. Then about at 9-10pm I start feeling feverish, and my skin is burning hot (To the point my fiance wont sleep in the same bed cause I throw so much heat), and for the next 48 hours I have the worst Flu known to man!!! I missed work and school. 3/4 shots ive gotten really sick, with the 3rd shot only mildly sick. Im supposed to

Im about ready to discontinue the cycle, but if I wasnt puking my guts out 2-3 days out of every week id be making good gains. And I dont have access to any Nolvadex or off cycle products now.

Also, my body temp is always ridiculously hot and I have to take about 8 Acetameniphen a day to keep it down.

HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE???

Somebody please shed some light on whats going on. As always, thanks to anyone who helps!

Havent heard about all that specifically sorry. But a little advice Your on gear and so your already stressing your liver DONT take acetaminaphin. It stresses your liver too. use ibroprofen instead. Number one cause of acute Liver failure in the US is acetaminophen toxicity.

sounds like a rough ride man. Quit the cycle, do your PCT and re-think your training goals and strategy.

Capt, Since I'm in the begining of my cycle, do you think I'll be ok just quitting cold turkey??

I'm gonna give it one more shot, in about 10min ironically. I'm gonna try and get down a whole 1.5-2 Gallons of water between now and tonight, as it seems to help with the sickness. I'll let you know how I feel tomorrow and Friday.

As always, thanks for the advice and help guys, it's much appreciated!

Ok, I'm officially Stopping my cycle! I hung in there as long as I could, but after almost 3 weeks of getting sick as hell, I'm throwing in the towel. I went back and read what people recomended, but no definitive answers.

My Question: I have access to Propaniate, Test C and E. What should I buy? And how much should my skinny ass be taking?

Again, as always, much much appreciated to anyone who replies with helpful info. Victor, Capt, Welding C thanks for the advice already!

Test C,shorter esther allow to be able to handle side effects better,500mg ew with an AI and pct for after.

Test Cyp is not a short ester bro

What about Propaniate?? That's the most readily available Steroid I have access to. The other 2 I'd have to wait 10-14 days.

Originally Posted by mccfinfan

What about Propaniate?? That's the most readily available Steroid I have access to. The other 2 I'd have to wait 10-14 days.

you're going to cry like a little bitch pinning prop

Ask your guy for NeoVar, take 6 caps a day. You'll be the most Jackedest notBig at the YMCA

Capt,

the guy I get it from said the same thing about prop, said it hurts like a bitch and you'll have a wad of peanut butter in your muscle.

Not sure what your other advice was. I went ahead and got test EQ, ive heard it will increase your apetite as well. I read that some people take sust before starting Test C, so I imagine I'll be fine.

Even with the 48 hour flu after every shot I've taken, I've gained 7lbs and my Bench is 100lbs over My body weight (255). I'll try and post some before and after pics once I make some real gains. My goal is 175lbs, I'm sick of being a skinny as fuck. My biggest thing is eating, I literally have the stomach of a 6 month old baby. Since about 13yo, I've always watched what I ate and even went 2-3 days without eating before weigh in for states or nationals.

Anyways, thanks for the advice!

Even being sick

if you cant fit much food in, just eat more often champ. Think high calorie foods like natty PB, olive oil, pastas, whole milk etc etc

good luck

'm 6'1" and weigh 185 lbs and im 22 yrs old. I've been lifting for about a year and a half now. i just purchased 10 amps of sustanon 250. i had an easy chance to get it and just cudnt pass it up. I've been reading about all different cycles to take it but I was wondering if anybody had any cycles that they've done and saw good gains from it and I'm wondering what type of gains I could expect to see from that cycle. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

start a new thread,

i was trying to start a new thread but i cant figure out how to do it

10 amps is only half the amount you need - you aint got enough for a cycle

im taking sus 250 500mgs a week my first cycle after second shot been 3days and feel like got the flu face and body on fire and chills but no temp does this go awy or should i switch too diff test

didnt kno how to start new post any1 give advice

Originally Posted by mccfinfan

Capt,

the guy I get it from said the same thing about prop, said it hurts like a bitch and you'll have a wad of peanut butter in your muscle.

Not sure what your other advice was. I went ahead and got test EQ, ive heard it will increase your apetite as well. I read that some people take sust before starting Test C, so I imagine I'll be fine.

Even with the 48 hour flu after every shot I've taken, I've gained 7lbs and my Bench is 100lbs over My body weight (255). I'll try and post some before and after pics once I make some real gains. My goal is 175lbs, I'm sick of being a skinny as fuck. My biggest thing is eating, I literally have the stomach of a 6 month old baby. Since about 13yo, I've always watched what I ate and even went 2-3 days without eating before weigh in for states or nationals.

Anyways, thanks for the advice!

Even being sick

I'm not sure whether you mean you got test AND EQ, or you just got EQ. EQ (equipoise) alone is not a cycle, you need test in every cycle. You should probably avoid prop, you'd have to pin every other day and it hurts like hell. It'll probably interfere with your training and its just generally a pain. Go with testosterone enanthate or cypionate, they're almost identical. 500mg a week, split into two 250mg injections 3.5 days apart.

It also sounds like you don't have a pct planned out, and aren't using an AI (aromatase inhibitor). You need to do some research in that department. Suffice to say they're both very very important. You shouldn't have even started a cycle without everything needed for pct in your posession. I'd avoid the sust for reasons already mentioned.


This part I'm not 100% sure on, but if you've got a fever from pinning sust, it sounds like an infection to me. I've heard of painful injections of sust (due to the short esters like prop most likely?) but fevers are not a common side effect as far as I know. If your temp is up and you feel sick I'd keep a damn close eye on those injections sites and watch out for any abscesses.

no dont have a fever but my skin is hot to the touch feels like fever but when take my temp its norm been 4days since second shot and like twice day feel like that but can eat and everythng just feel shitty when wake up i us sus 250mgs twice a week and dbol 20mgs a day is it sus flu does that shit go away when ur body adjustes not feeling bad now just got done workout

Originally Posted by jbird chris

no dont have a fever but my skin is hot to the touch feels like fever but when take my temp its norm been 4days since second shot and like twice day feel like that but can eat and everythng just feel shitty when wake up i us sus 250mgs twice a week and dbol 20mgs a day is it sus flu does that shit go away when ur body adjustes not feeling bad now just got done workout

Yeah the fever comment was directed to OP. I feel a little warm to the touch sometimes but it's usually in areas that I've worked out recently, I'm guessing just because of increased blood flow to the area. I don't know if that's the case for you though.

I went through like two weeks of feeling kinda "blah" towards the beginning of my cycle, mostly just tired and lethargic, unmotivated etc. I honestly think it may have been because of the dbol, I've heard that's a side effect some guys experience. The strength gains were awesome though. I finished up the dbol and started feeling better within just a few days. Never really figured out if it was "test flu" or just the dbol. As far as I know sust doesn't cause a flu of its own, just test in general can cause that. No idea really what it is and I don't think there's any real concensus on it either. All I can say is make sure you're pinning properly, swabbing your vial and the site etc. Finish up the dbol and see if you start feeling better. If not you may just be having a reaction to a specific ester in the sust or the solvent/oil whatever.

yeah sory didnt kno how make new post but thanks for replyin just really wanted some advice its my first time taking this stuff ive read of sus flu sounds like wat i could of had so far today doing good 4days after second shot do i need 500mgs a week of sus as a beginer or less

As some of you know my experience with ugl Sustanon 300mg/ml I would just like to add the first thing missing here is EOD, every other day injections! Waiting 7 days and a low dose is just going to keep triggering Sust flu. Sust has Prop and Phelyprop which needs to be maintained EOD. Also doing .5ml EOD will lessen the pain some and using neosporin after injecting has helped me a lot. I also inject before bed so I'm not sitting on my ass and give it time to disperse in a still position and I alternate with thighs and shoulders too. This time around I added Proviron and Winstrol and have much less bloat and acne with crazy strength gains you wouldn't believe.

Originally Posted by jbird chris

yeah sory didnt kno how make new post but thanks for replyin just really wanted some advice its my first time taking this stuff ive read of sus flu sounds like wat i could of had so far today doing good 4days after second shot do i need 500mgs a week of sus as a beginer or less

500mgs is a good dose, I'm guessing you could get away with a bit less since with the shorter esters it actually equals out to more test than say 500mg enanthate. I wouldn't really bother though if you have enough to run it all the way through. Like guy above said it might help to break up your dose more through the week, twice at least but three times a week would be even better. That way your blood levels will be more stable which should reduce some side effects, and the smaller dose should hurt less to pin.