Thread: Second Cycle Advice - I know my sh!t this time!

Originally Posted by Spoolin_Vtec

To abide by forum rules,
1) I'm 21
2) I'm currently fluctuating between 196-200 lbs
3) I've been lifting for about 5 years now
4) Previous Cycle experience: Check my stats for my other cycle (I can't post links yet; it was nothing special)
5) My diet is clean and full of food!
6) Cycle Goals: See below

I have 3 bottles of Enanthate 300mg. I plan on running 16 weeks, starting on either April 26th or May 3rd (2 or 3 weeks from now). I am currently doing cardio for 45 minutes ED post workout, I'm taking ECA stack 2 weeks on, 1 week off.

Current plan:
Week 1-16: 600mg Enanthate (300mg 2x/week)
Week 16-18: PCT Nolvadex 40mg ED; Femara 2.5mg ED for 5 days, then 1.25mg EOD
Week 18-20: PCT Nolvadex 20mg ED; Femara 1.25mg EOD

I want to stay lean while on my cycle. I know water retention is a part of an enanthate cycle, but my diet should keep most water out of my system. Aside from the cycle above, I wanted to throw something in besides ECA stack (and maybe Clen if I can get my hands on some) to keep water retention low, not that ECA or Clen would really help with water retention.

No ai while on cycle? they will help with the bloat problem as well.

Originally Posted by Hammer-She-Rides

No ai while on cycle? they will help with the bloat problem as well.

Some estrogen is necessary during cycle, so running low dosage arimidex or nolvadex (or even low dose femara) I would only do because of nipple pain from estrogen being too high. I don't want to deplete my estrogen levels since that will hinder gains.

No AI will reduce your your estrogen levels that much. Not in a healthy male. And AIs dont "reduce" your estrogen anyway they keep test from being aromatized into estro. AIs are a must in ANY cycle involving aas that aromatize

If you are going to run test enan from weeks 1-16, you don't want to start PCT on week 16. Enanthate, as you know, is a long ester so it will linger longer than prop for example. Therefore, it would be wise to wait a few weeks to begin your nolva. I would rather run clomid over nolva, but that's your call.

And as Hammer said, you really want to run an AI like adex or aromasin. Furthermore, if you want to avoid testicular atrophy...run some HCG at 800-1000iu ew starting week 2 through PCT. Lastly, if I was in your shoes...I'd probably pin 200mg 3X a week instead of 300mg 2X a week. Won't make a big difference, your call. Good luck!

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Ok, so if I ran adex during cycle, what would dosage be (mg & ED/EOD)? As for PCT, I'll start the nolv on week 18 or 19 instead of week 16, which would be better? And can I keep the Femara to start on week 16?

As for the Clomid part, I'm going to keep the nolv instead, especially since I'm prone to gyno.

I'd start nolva week 19 if doing a 16 wk test cycle. 3 weeks is a avg. time. If you run adex and KNOW you are gyno prone, I suggest running .5mg ED. IF (big if) for some reason you notice any signs of gyno, bump the dose up to 1mg ED.

Nolva. Nolva is some very strong stuff (far stronger than clomid) and if you do decide to take an AI like adex or aromasin, the nolva may be a bit too much and you more than likely won't need it at all.

If you enjoy the company of women, I suggest taking my advice on the HCG as well. Good luck.

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The only problem with HCG is that, to my understanding, it needs to be refrigerated. Living in a house with my parents would definitely not allow me to do that. Is there an alternative?

Originally Posted by Spoolin_Vtec

The only problem with HCG is that, to my understanding, it needs to be refrigerated. Living in a house with my parents would definitely not allow me to do that. Is there an alternative?

If you have a car, you can keep a cooler or a bag with some ice in it to keep it cool. That, or keep it at your friend's/gf's house...someplace you can keep it in a fridge. You don't need to pin the HCG every day, 2 X a week will do.

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Looking over your posts it's clear you are not ready for a cycle yet.

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

Looking over your posts it's clear you are not ready for a cycle yet.

Reason being?

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

If you have a car, you can keep a cooler or a bag with some ice in it to keep it cool. That, or keep it at your friend's/gf's house...someplace you can keep it in a fridge. You don't need to pin the HCG every day, 2 X a week will do.

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I was actually thinking I could keep it in a friends house. Thanks for the info, I appreciate the help. What would proper dosage be for my cycle? I've heard many different dosages and days, some do day 1, 9, and 15 with their PCT, others do ED for X weeks, etc. What should I do?

Originally Posted by Spoolin_Vtec

What would proper dosage be for my cycle?

I gave you a dosing protocol in my first post, go back and re-read it. 800-1000iu every week (cut in two) is about right.

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