Thread: Opinions on my PCT...

Thinking something like this.... last shot of test enth will week 8(about 14 days before pct).

During these 14 days----test prop 150eod
---hcg 1000 eod
---continue aromasin 20mg/day

PCT starts day 15----nolva 40/40/20/20
---aromasin 20/20/20/10
---Vitamin C 3grams/day(split dose)
---Creatine 10grams/day

Is is ok to stop aromasin and nolva at the same time? I know there shouldn't be a rebound with aromasin, but since it is refered to as a steroidal AI it just seems counter-intuitive. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.. its my first time using aromasin

Nobody huh?

HCG before the aas ester clears is a very good idea.

ok, I'm probably going to run a total of 5000iu's of this stuff...figure a little will do better than nothing.

maybe 500iu ed for 10 days before nolva?

Yes do hcg 2 x 2000-2500iu a week

If you have a nandrolone in your system - deca, tren - use A-dex instead of nolva to avoid gyno!

hcg can be used during your cycle, but i would do 250iu e3d or 500iu e5d.

Here is some info:

This is copy/pasted from another board:
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Improper use of hCG


Using hCG after the cycle is the least effective way to use hCG.

You see, when you're on steroids, your brain cuts off the signal to the testes, and your testes stop producing testosterone. Once this happens, your testes shutdown, start to shrink, and become unresponsive to stimulation from the brain (essentially, the testes become desensitized). This is the reason why alot of guys never recover from a steroid cycle even after using tons of hCG and SERM's -- because the testes have stayed inactive for too long and have become permanently desensitized.

Here are a list of problems you can have from waiting untill the end of a cycle to use hCG -


High Possibility of Permanent Testicular Damage/Desensitization
Higher hCG Dose Requirement
Higher Conversion Rate to Estrogen
For a fast and quick recovery of testosterone production after a cycle, you must avoid the long-periods of suppression. Once your testes go unused for too long, it is virtually impossible to get them to come back full strength, no matter how much hCG you take. For more detailed information on testicular degeneration of testicular function during a steroid cycle, see this article.




hCG during cycle - The Proper use of hCG


For any cycle longer than 6 weeks, you need to get your hands on some hCG and use it during the cycle. A small dose will keep the testes running as normal during cycle, so they can jump back on track when the cycle is over. Plus, when you use hCG during the cycle, you don't need to use it for PCT.

On-cycle hCG forces your testes to continue producing testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle hCG use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can also desensitize your testes the same as not using any at all!). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they would normally.

Check out the simple hCG dosing guidelines -


(*PICTURE ATTACHED* i have no idea why this aint here, but i have attached it instead)


* Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.

† AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Legal alternatives include Formasol and Arom-X which are also effective aromatase inhibitors. Discontinue AI 4 days after last hCG shot.)

If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.

If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the "last 2 weeks or after the cycle" guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

Originally Posted by MyronPyro

If you have a nandrolone in your system - deca, tren - use A-dex instead of nolva to avoid gyno!

hcg can be used during your cycle, but i would do 250iu e3d or 500iu e5d.

Here is some info:

This is copy/pasted from another board:
'


Improper use of hCG


Using hCG after the cycle is the least effective way to use hCG.

You see, when you're on steroids, your brain cuts off the signal to the testes, and your testes stop producing testosterone. Once this happens, your testes shutdown, start to shrink, and become unresponsive to stimulation from the brain (essentially, the testes become desensitized). This is the reason why alot of guys never recover from a steroid cycle even after using tons of hCG and SERM's -- because the testes have stayed inactive for too long and have become permanently desensitized.

Here are a list of problems you can have from waiting untill the end of a cycle to use hCG -


High Possibility of Permanent Testicular Damage/Desensitization
Higher hCG Dose Requirement
Higher Conversion Rate to Estrogen
For a fast and quick recovery of testosterone production after a cycle, you must avoid the long-periods of suppression. Once your testes go unused for too long, it is virtually impossible to get them to come back full strength, no matter how much hCG you take. For more detailed information on testicular degeneration of testicular function during a steroid cycle, see this article.




hCG during cycle - The Proper use of hCG


For any cycle longer than 6 weeks, you need to get your hands on some hCG and use it during the cycle. A small dose will keep the testes running as normal during cycle, so they can jump back on track when the cycle is over. Plus, when you use hCG during the cycle, you don't need to use it for PCT.

On-cycle hCG forces your testes to continue producing testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle hCG use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can also desensitize your testes the same as not using any at all!). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they would normally.

Check out the simple hCG dosing guidelines -


(*PICTURE ATTACHED* i have no idea why this aint here, but i have attached it instead)


* Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.

† AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Legal alternatives include Formasol and Arom-X which are also effective aromatase inhibitors. Discontinue AI 4 days after last hCG shot.)

If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.

If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the "last 2 weeks or after the cycle" guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

I am aware of this currently more popular protocol, and it does make sense...however I did not plan on using hcg initially and now I feel like I should.

Dont know exactly when the hcg will arrive but I think at best it will give me 2-3 weeks before pct. I don't really feel like one shoot of 1000iu/week will be enough at that point, there are so many different opinions and I'm certainly not a chemist but I have figured out that smaller more frequent doses are better than large to avoid desensitization so I'm hesitant to shoot 1000iu at once.

I still have some time to figure it out at least.

Originally Posted by DaBeast25

ok, I'm probably going to run a total of 5000iu's of this stuff...figure a little will do better than nothing.

maybe 500iu ed for 10 days before nolva?

That will work.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

That will work.

Heavy,

what do you think is better 500iu for 10 days or

shooting every 3-4 days with a higher initial dose like this...
1000iu, 1000iu, 1000iu, 500iu, 500iu, 500iu, 500iu