Thread: tendonitis-4 mos post op. help please.

I know 200 mg a week of deca is good for your joints, but I wouldn't run it without at least 400mgs a week of test.Just curious was it cortisone that you were injected with or depo-medrol,and have you had any injections post op?

it was cortisone. i had pain for about a year and a half. within that time i had two shots. six mos apart. did the trick then wore off bc they said give it a wk and you'll be fine but the cortisone weakens tendon fibers so i just did more damage. no injections post op bc they say it's thinned my skin too much in that region and will only mask the pain. my surgeon sucked. he did a good job but his team was shitty. no pt. no coordination between him and the PT. I've heard deca helps hold water around your joints but does it really heal. and just curious why the test with it. not that i wouldn't. test is my fav anyway. i usually do 1 cc a wk of test 250. dude i hate to sound stupid but i haven't done anything other than test so when you say 200 and 400 mgs a week. can you break that down for me. you mean test 400 at 1cc a week or? i know that's dumb as shit but humor me. as you can see by the pic i'm no monster. not for lack of trying. just haven't had the time to educate myself more and in the area i live there's not a lot of gear around nor ppl with knowledge. and thanks for your response bro...sincerely appreciated. what do you think about hgh. i know it's costly but i've heard it does little for bulking but really heals the body quickly

Admittedly I'm no expert in joint repair but try this in theory it should at least help enough to allow for functionality of your elbow. Deca 200mgew testosterone 250mgew and d-bol at 10mg ed. That should allow for some joint relief and at those dosages you should be able to run em for a long time without and serious problems. Hopefully thats enough Test to keep you from getting rubber dick if not bump it to 300mg ew. Hope that helps ya bro joint pain sux

I know where you are coming from bro. A little less than 2 years a go I was in a nasty MC accident on the highway that fucked me up pretty bad. I started training again about 6 months post accident. Let me tell you what I did and it made a tremendouc difference. Even the docs were amazed at my recovery. My only regret is that I di not start some of it sooner.

The first and most important thing is to take it easy. Remember that you are on AAS and it is easy to over do it. It is a recovery cycle, nothing more.

The first things to know is what compound are effective at repairing or influencing recovery. The major tools for this are anavar, nandrolone(deca), and HGH. ALso a low amount of test to offset it's shutdown.

I suggest something along the lines of this:

Test E 200mg ew(split x2 ew)
Anavar 40-50mg ed
deca 200-300mg ew(split 2x ew)
HGH 4iu daily minimum

Maintain a safe training routine, and these will greatly increase your recovery time. Just take it easy and feel your body. You'll know when to pick it up a little bit. Slowly work your way up in your training, and I mean slowly. Injure youself again and you could be back at square one or worse. Let me knwo how things work out for you bro. I wish you all the best.

Hey man thanks for the info. much appreciated. I went to my hook up with it who has competed for 20 years and he suggested the exact same thing. My only question is how long should I run it. He's saying atleast three months probably 6.
The other question I have for you is...if you started working out 6 mos post accident, what kind of pain level were you at when you started and what were your major injuries that you were trying to heal. the only reason i ask is that when they do the surgery they did on me they cut the tendon that connects to the lateral elbow and cut away the decaying tendon then stitch it back down to the bone. so the doc is saying it's still scarring over and that's the pain i'm feeling now. so the question carries over into my work out routine. i def know to go slow slow slow. don't wanna do this again. should i just work every body part including the ones that use the elbow which is all upper body...just be really light and ez with all of them. i'm assuming the stimulation and the cycle will cause the healing process to speed up and not do more damage. as long as i'm careful. and i'm gonna do the exact mix you said. hopefully you can pull the questions out of all that jabbering bullshit. sorry bro just stressed the fuk out and wanna get back on it. chics tend to shy away from guys they outweigh. LOL. oh and if 4iu's is min what is max you'd go with the G. thanks for the advice bro. seriously i appreciate your knowledge and getting back to me.

Tendonitis does suck balls. I've never had it as bad as you're talkign about but I first saw a PT for tendonitis in my right forearm in 1992 and I'm still dealing w/ it, except now its both forearms, both elbows, occasionally wrists.

Have you had any good massage therapy or ART done on it?

Also I'd suggest not going higher w/ the GH as 6 iu can just cause wrist pain similar to carpal tunnel - I'd say keep it at therapeutic levels and just long & low.

It def sucks balls. Way worse than any type of bone injury. unless of course you break your back. massage made it worse for me. Just aggrevated it more but maybe that's bc it was torn earlier than I thought. I haven't done any ART and didn't know what it was until you mentioned it and i looked it up. It sounds like it's a sort of chiropratic (so to speak) form of therapy? It sounds like a good idea if you haven't had surgery. I never thought I had tendonitits for the whole two years I was dealing with the shit. The pain was in my forearm like yours, never my elbow. and I mean it hurt like hell about 3-4 inches below the elbow on the lateral side of my forearm. but when i had the cortisone injected at the elbow the pain in the forearm went away so I have to believe the docs on that when they say it was radiating pain. cort doesn't spread that far after injected.
ART after surgery, I would think would be bad just bc they say they want it to scar over. they reattach the tendon to the elbow or bur off the elbow and then let it scar over the ligament to ensure it doesn't tear again. which is why i question whether or not to start working it even with the cycle. incase it's not healed but i guess that's the point of the growth...to make it heal?
Have you had an MRI? If not I'd get one. See if you have a tear. If so fix it now bc the worse it gets the more stability you lose after recovery.I just thought my muscles were tight or strained. But I'm sure you know more about all this than I do. I've heard test can cause it to worsen as it weakens the collagen fibers. Thanks for the heads up on the iu's. I sure as hell don't want any more pain than i already have. Have you done the ART? ahhh this blows.

ok so that everyone is clear that I'm post op not just dealing with tendonitits, which i'm sure you all know that. the point of the surgery is to remove any decaying tendon that has decayed bc of the immune response and the cortisone shots and the continued workout routine while the whole time it was inflamed. when it finally tore the tendon then began trying to heal itself and in doing so the collagen fibers decay and are surrounded by gunk. so when they go in the cut the tendon loose from the elbow bone where they attach, remove all dead tendon, get to the clean tendon, then suture it bk down to the bone after burring off the bone in order to release marrow to invoke a healing and scarring affect.

let's assume the doc is right and that pain would subside with time after all scarring is done and healing is complete. i'm not so sure. but either way.

my question is this. If I run the cycle set by dragon MD, I would presumably not be able to do a lot of upper body. mostly legs, and abs. the pain and retearing of the tendon away from the bone would be caused by gripping and working any upper body part that required gripping, which is everything. so again the que is...if i do legs and abs, and then do light light light PT on my arm and keep it symmetrical across my upper body, with very light weight and just range of motion and PT like stuff, would the cycle, particularly the Growth do it's job even with minimal work to the desired area of healing. i assume it would being that the growth would provoke an immune response to heal any part of the body that was inflamed or in need or repair that the body was already trying to heal. I know this isn't a growth cycle it's a healing cycle. i just want to make sure it will do it's job, theoretically.

thanks for all your advice. this is def the place to be and i'm glad i joined. you guys are a wealth of remarkable wealth of knowledge.

oh and, holy shit Sassy, you look amazing. keep it up darlin. whatever you're doing is working. just a quick compliment. thx for the advice.

Dragon knows his shit and I'm not argueing his response at all but, I would replace the anavar in his suggestion and I'll elaborate why. My initial response I didn't suggest hgh not cause its not a good suggestion just cause I dont use it if Dragon says use it by all means do so. I would replace the Anavar with d-bol because it too has been shown to promote collagen synthesis andit will increase your weight which you said you wanted correct?

yeah i definatley need to get my weight back up. how's dbol on the hair line. i know i know. who gives a shit about hair if you look like a monster but i don't know that i'll ever be at the size you guys probably are so i need my hair. LOL. i'm single and still need the hair. i don't think chics would dig the bald look on me. LOL. a friend of mine suggested dropping the anavar all together just bc it was a big stack in general with all four especially being used as a recovery cycle. i would think maybe get the arm better and then cycle off for a bit then jump on the same thing again and add the dbol for size. what do you think about the HGH healing a surgery faster even though I can't work the arm that much at all. will it help heal it just being in my body in general and doing really lite work like Dragon and Sassy said? hey thanks again bro. this is great advice. i'm eating it up.

oh and you're totally right...collagen synthesis is exactly what i need to heal the collagen fibers in my tendon. again i can't thank you guys enough. i've never seen a site with ppl who know their shit so scietifically well as you guys do. most ppl just shoot off at the mouth not really knowing shit about anything.

Originally Posted by jcw

oh and, holy shit Sassy, you look amazing. keep it up darlin. whatever you're doing is working. just a quick compliment. thx for the advice.

TY The gym is the source of all my joys and all my pains (literally ) in life.

Per your comment - yes listen to your doc post-op before looking to other stuff. My chiropractor has a guy in his office who specializes in ART and I also have regular deep tissue massage to help deal w/ it. Its been a part of my life for the last 18 yrs and I don't see it letting up. Sometimes it isn't an issue, sometimes it is. Really interesting these past couple days - w/ all the rain we've been getting in California, everything is blooming and my allergies (which I never really had to deal w/ before) have been flaring. The last couple days my whole body has been hurting, and especially ALL my tendonitis. Talk about waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah moments.... LOL! All I can really do is suck it up and work past it, but still listening to my body.

GH and anavar will go far to healing post-op, deca fixes everything.

Originally Posted by jcw

yeah i definatley need to get my weight back up. how's dbol on the hair line. i know i know. who gives a shit about hair if you look like a monster but i don't know that i'll ever be at the size you guys probably are so i need my hair. LOL. i'm single and still need the hair. i don't think chics would dig the bald look on me. LOL. a friend of mine suggested dropping the anavar all together just bc it was a big stack in general with all four especially being used as a recovery cycle. i would think maybe get the arm better and then cycle off for a bit then jump on the same thing again and add the dbol for size. what do you think about the HGH healing a surgery faster even though I can't work the arm that much at all. will it help heal it just being in my body in general and doing really lite work like Dragon and Sassy said? hey thanks again bro. this is great advice. i'm eating it up.

Ok bro just so ya know I'll tell ya where I'm comin from nobody really knows me but I feel ya so.. I'm only 32 thats why I havent hit the gh train yet and Im not a big guy either really. I'm only 5'9" and 180# but I take my condition serious. If I ever hit 200 it will be a miracle. I've had both knees scoped cause I played college basketball. I cant dispute the shit Dragon and Sassy69 says cause I know they're the real deal I only speak what works for me. If both them say use Var instead of D-bol then theres prolly somthing to it. I wish ya luck and healing little bro.

Damn cant believe I put myself out there I think I'm emotional from the clomid or somthin

hahahh. hey thx jcar. I appreciate it. I'm so fking up in the air with this I don't know what to do. I'm sure the cycle will help and I'm gonna plan on running it. Injuries and surgeries just fucking blow. You never know when you're gonna do something that'll fk ya up for life. like sitting and worrying about what if I start too soon, tear it again and they say my arm will never be the same. holy shit I'd be depressed as hell. I finally get to a descent size, for me, and then the hammer drops. hell I'm ashamed to leave the house in a tshirt now. as for the emotional shit. I won't tell. LOL. hell I did test for 30 wks before i knew about PCT and i felt like a menopausal woman driving home from work everyday thinking I was gonna cry bc of the damn traffic. wtf. thx for the insight and honesty bro. you guys are all worth your weight in gold.

allright guys. I'm two weeks in to my cycle.
HGH 4iu's ed
TE 300 split x2 ew
anavar 40 mg

My question to everyone that was so helpful with this thread is how long should it take to start seeing the hgh results as far as pain in the area goes or moreover actual healing start time.

secondly...I dropped the deca from the cycle that was recommended bc it does add water to the area which still has some adema from the surgery and plus i know it eases the pain. this is great if you're not on a recovery cycle but i'd like to feel my body and not mask the pain so i know when to step it up and when to ease off. I don't wanna end up back in surgery or worse.

third..What is the calculation on a 1cc needle for 4 iu's a day. just wanna make sure i did my calculus right. LOL. 2and a half tenths of a cc is what i'm doing. and I don't know if it's allergies or what but i've had a mild headache since starting this and it's been pretty much daily. but we've had a shit load of polen falling so that could be it.

like you guys said...i'm taking it really slow. omg it blows to do ten pound tricep pushdowns. but i guess that's what it's gonna take for a while. the atrophe is bad in that arm and i'm keeping it symmetrical as far as weight goes on both arms. just focusing on building my legs while recovering.

last one. i'm four months post op. just fyi...some surgeons put you straight into PT three days post op. mine had me in a cast for six weeks then a splint for four more. now i'm almost five months post op. i would think the chances of retearing it would be slim but the chance of inflamming it are high. hence the low weight. it feels better just gettting the blood flowing.

allright if u can decifer the questions from all the bs i typed bc i'm stressed the fuck out about this i'd love to hear what you guys have to say....Sassy, Dragon, Jcar and others.

Thx guys.

allright guys. I'm two weeks in to my cycle.
HGH 4iu's ed
TE 300 split x2 ew
anavar 40 mg

My question to everyone that was so helpful with this thread is how long should it take to start seeing the hgh results as far as pain in the area goes or moreover actual healing start time.

secondly...I dropped the deca from the cycle that was recommended bc it does add water to the area which still has some adema from the surgery and plus i know it eases the pain. this is great if you're not on a recovery cycle but i'd like to feel my body and not mask the pain so i know when to step it up and when to ease off. I don't wanna end up back in surgery or worse.
----> For future consideration, Equipoise helps connective tissue. Not sure about impact to hairline but it doesn't convert so no water retention issues.

third..What is the calculation on a 1cc needle for 4 iu's a day. just wanna make sure i did my calculus right. LOL. 2and a half tenths of a cc is what i'm doing. and I don't know if it's allergies or what but i've had a mild headache since starting this and it's been pretty much daily. but we've had a shit load of polen falling so that could be it.
----> How many IUs per bottle of your GH? An example is green top (non-label) Jinotropins are 8 iu/bottle. If you load 80 mg of bacteriostatic water then you have 10 mg / iu - so after you reconstitute it would be 40 mg = 4 iu.
----> Headache - how is your blood pressure?
----> Headache - if you're having any issues w/ 4 iu ED you can fiddle w/ the dose to 3 iu ED or also do it EOD. Couple different ways you can work w/ the dosing.

like you guys said...i'm taking it really slow. omg it blows to do ten pound tricep pushdowns. but i guess that's what it's gonna take for a while. the atrophe is bad in that arm and i'm keeping it symmetrical as far as weight goes on both arms. just focusing on building my legs while recovering.
----> Do you even need to do weight? More important is ROM. Whataver it takes, like you said. I was doing exactly what you're talking about - 1 lb DBs for front, angle & side raises. Or use resistance bands. But while I was doing that, I was able to focus on my legs and bring up some better sweeps.

last one. i'm four months post op. just fyi...some surgeons put you straight into PT three days post op. mine had me in a cast for six weeks then a splint for four more. now i'm almost five months post op. i would think the chances of retearing it would be slim but the chance of inflamming it are high. hence the low weight. it feels better just gettting the blood flowing.
---> ROM and "listen to your body" are most important. The weight is after the fact. Resistance bands may make you more confident in your strength instead of working w/ straight weights.

allright if u can decifer the questions from all the bs i typed bc i'm stressed the fuck out about this i'd love to hear what you guys have to say....Sassy, Dragon, Jcar and others.