Mass builders

**bighurt** · 05-07-2010, 11:19 PM

What would be a good orally based mass building substance? Any advice would be highly appreciated.

**Tyler3295** · 05-07-2010, 11:33 PM

The best mass builder available to you are the stickies in this forum.

Oh wait. The best ORAL mass builder is... FOOD!

**WFC2010** · 05-08-2010, 03:34 AM

good cycle is:

50mg d-bol a day 1-6
50mg turanabol a day 1-6
nolva to stop gyno and clomids for pct

but i still suggest injects

**metal** · 05-08-2010, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by bighurt

What would be a good orally based mass building substance? Any advice would be highly appreciated.

30 Egg Whites
400gms of Chicken Breast
1 Liter of Milk
4 Mass Gainer Shakes a Day
All this Plus your Normal 3 Meals a Day

If this does not get your mass up.. Let me know

)

Oh yeah then there's XXXBols that the experts here can help you with

**Silver_Back** · 05-08-2010, 07:50 AM

^^^+1

**VictorZ06** · 05-08-2010, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by bighurt

What would be a good orally based mass building substance?

If you are talking about AAS, there isn't an oral one that I would call "good" that exists. You have to pin test, bottom line for all cycles. Anything less is a waste of cash and time, and not healthy at all, IMHO.

/V

**heavyiron** · 05-08-2010, 10:25 PM

100mg Anadrol daily for 8 weeks.

**theCaptn'** · 05-08-2010, 11:46 PM

NeoVar, LHJO and Beta-Al

**revolution187** · 05-09-2010, 01:54 AM

dude, your gonna have to do jabs if u wanna juice otherwise dont bother and if ur after sheer mass gains i think u should do 400-500mg of test a week and do an anadrol kickstart for 5 weeks the test u should do for 12 weeks, i imagine this is ur first cycle, take milk thistle or liv52 with this and have aromasin on hand for pct and maybe 3 weeks of nolvadex as well for pct u can take the aromasin during cycle if nipples get itchy and during pct stack ur aromasin and nolva together

**theCaptn'** · 05-09-2010, 02:17 AM

dont forget LHJO for daily recovery factor 7

**Silver_Back** · 05-09-2010, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by thecapt'n

dont forget lhjo for daily recovery factor 7

+++1

**jmorrison** · 05-09-2010, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

dont forget LHJO for daily recovery factor 7

Do I LHJO x 2w or EoD?

Is it ok to mix in SFW or RHJO? I don't want to lose my gains.

Thanks!

**Silver_Back** · 05-09-2010, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by jmorrison

Is it ok to mix in SFW or RHJO? I don't want to lose my gains.

Only on Leap Year

GICH

**Road Warrior** · 05-18-2010, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

100mg Anadrol daily for 8 weeks.

You would have to take a good amount of Liver protectants.

**Flathead** · 05-18-2010, 06:00 PM

What's your goals/intent?

**Road Warrior** · 05-21-2010, 09:11 AM

Dude Just take anadrol staight and no test Lol JK JK you need the test

**Supermans Daddy** · 05-21-2010, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

100mg Anadrol daily for 8 weeks.

Heavy, I don't know so I'ma ask. Isn't that alot for 8 weeks? Seems to a guy with no practical knowledge of Anadrol other than what I've read mind you, that could be kinda Heavy ( no pun intended). Would there be toxicity concerns ? Please enlighten me my friend.

Peace and Love

**jcar1016** · 05-21-2010, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

Heavy, I don't know so I'ma ask. Isn't that alot for 8 weeks? Seems to a guy with no practical knowledge of Anadrol other than what I've read mind you, that could be kinda Heavy ( no pun intended). Would there be toxicity concerns ? Please enlighten me my friend.

Peace and Love

I thought the same thing bro but I wasnt gonna say nothin LOL I know a lot of guys who respond really well to 50-75mg ed so I just dont see the point in goin that high if for no other reason.

**Supermans Daddy** · 05-21-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by jcar1016

I thought the same thing bro but I wasnt gonna say nothin LOL I know a lot of guys who respond really well to 50-75mg ed so I just dont see the point in goin that high if for no other reason.

I been doin a lil research and the majority of people that use this have reported unkeepable gains, amist other concerns include'n some mean sides. Also 4 to 5 weeks was the norm for most users it appeared . I also seen that people have dosed this stuff as high as 200mg ED. Wouldn't Dbol perhaps be a better/safer more practical choice ? And I really wanna understand the reason'n behind run'n somethin so strong for so long.

**Silver_Back** · 05-21-2010, 10:45 AM

Only BIGS do 150mgs ED of Anadrol.

**jcar1016** · 05-21-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

I been doin a lil research and the majority of people that use this have reported unkeepable gains, amist other concerns include'n some mean sides. Wouldn't Dbol perhaps be a better/safer more practical choice ?

Absolutly D-bol is the shit in my opinion coarse to be honest I never completed an Anadrol run cause I yak my guts up constantly. On d-bol its all good I dont get any sides from d-bol even dosing high I love the shit

**heavyiron** · 05-21-2010, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

Heavy, I don't know so I'ma ask. Isn't that alot for 8 weeks? Seems to a guy with no practical knowledge of Anadrol other than what I've read mind you, that could be kinda Heavy ( no pun intended). Would there be toxicity concerns ? Please enlighten me my friend.

Peace and Love

Nope, it is fine for 8 weeks.

this is a great study. phase III randomized double blind placebo control. It shows anadrol works great for adding mass in hiv patients, but 100 mg is just as good as 150 mg ed. Plus, they do liver panels out to 16 weeks. 150 mg is worse on the liver than 100. About 25-28% of people show 5x normal liver enzyme values at 16 weeks. Liver issues start creeping in at 12 weeks.

Again, this is another clear indication that more is not better~Dr Pangloss

AIDS. 2003 Mar 28;17(5):699-710. Links

Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial of oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV wasting.

Hengge UR, Stocks K, Wiehler H, Faulkner S, Esser S, Lorenz C, Jentzen W, Hengge D, Goos M, Dudley RE, Ringham G.
STD-Unit, Department of Dermatology and Venerology, University of Essen, Germany. ulrich.hengge@uni-duesseldorf.de

BACKGROUND: Despite highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART), chronic involuntary weight loss still remains a serious problem in the care of HIV patients. Various alterations in energy metabolism and endocrine regulation have been found to cause loss of lean body mass (LBM) and body cell mass (BCM). Previous studies in HIV-positive men undergoing androgen replacement therapy or treatment with recombinant growth hormone (rGH) have shown partial restoration of LBM, but these treatments have largely been ineffective in eugonadal individuals.

STUDY DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 89 HIV-positive women and men with wasting assigned to the anabolic steroid oxymetholone [50 mg twice (BID) or three times daily (TID)] or placebo for 16 weeks followed by open-label treatment.

STUDY ENDPOINTS: Body weight, bioimpedance measurements, quality of life parameters and appetite. RESULTS: Oxymetholone led to a significant weight gain of 3.0 +/- 0.5 and 3.5 +/- 0.7 kg in the TID and BID groups, respectively (P < 0.05 for each treatment versus placebo), whereas individuals in the placebo group gained an average of 1.0 +/- 0.7 kg. Body cell mass increased in the oxymetholone BID group (3.8 +/- 0.4 kg; P < 0.0001) and in the oxymetholone TID group (2.1 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.005), corresponding to 12.4 and 7.4% of baseline BCM, respectively. Significant improvements were noted in appetite and food intake, increased well-being and reduced weakness by self-examination. The most important adverse event was liver-associated toxicity. Overall, 35% of patients in the TID, 27% of patients in the BID oxymetholone group and no patients in the placebo group had a greater than five times baseline increase for alanine aminotransferase during the double-blind phase of the study.

CONCLUSIONS: Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The BID (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective as the TID (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM and BCM and was associated with less, but still significant liver toxicity.

**Supermans Daddy** · 05-21-2010, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Nope, it is fine for 8 weeks.

this is a great study. phase III randomized double blind placebo control. It shows anadrol works great for adding mass in hiv patients, but 100 mg is just as good as 150 mg ed. Plus, they do liver panels out to 16 weeks. 150 mg is worse on the liver than 100. About 25-28% of people show 5x normal liver enzyme values at 16 weeks. Liver issues start creeping in at 12 weeks.

Again, this is another clear indication that more is not better~Dr Pangloss

AIDS. 2003 Mar 28;17(5):699-710. Links

Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial of oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV wasting.

Hengge UR, Stocks K, Wiehler H, Faulkner S, Esser S, Lorenz C, Jentzen W, Hengge D, Goos M, Dudley RE, Ringham G.
STD-Unit, Department of Dermatology and Venerology, University of Essen, Germany. ulrich.hengge@uni-duesseldorf.de

BACKGROUND: Despite highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART), chronic involuntary weight loss still remains a serious problem in the care of HIV patients. Various alterations in energy metabolism and endocrine regulation have been found to cause loss of lean body mass (LBM) and body cell mass (BCM). Previous studies in HIV-positive men undergoing androgen replacement therapy or treatment with recombinant growth hormone (rGH) have shown partial restoration of LBM, but these treatments have largely been ineffective in eugonadal individuals.

STUDY DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 89 HIV-positive women and men with wasting assigned to the anabolic steroid oxymetholone [50 mg twice (BID) or three times daily (TID)] or placebo for 16 weeks followed by open-label treatment.

STUDY ENDPOINTS: Body weight, bioimpedance measurements, quality of life parameters and appetite. RESULTS: Oxymetholone led to a significant weight gain of 3.0 +/- 0.5 and 3.5 +/- 0.7 kg in the TID and BID groups, respectively (P < 0.05 for each treatment versus placebo), whereas individuals in the placebo group gained an average of 1.0 +/- 0.7 kg. Body cell mass increased in the oxymetholone BID group (3.8 +/- 0.4 kg; P < 0.0001) and in the oxymetholone TID group (2.1 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.005), corresponding to 12.4 and 7.4% of baseline BCM, respectively. Significant improvements were noted in appetite and food intake, increased well-being and reduced weakness by self-examination. The most important adverse event was liver-associated toxicity. Overall, 35% of patients in the TID, 27% of patients in the BID oxymetholone group and no patients in the placebo group had a greater than five times baseline increase for alanine aminotransferase during the double-blind phase of the study.

CONCLUSIONS: Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The BID (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective as the TID (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM and BCM and was associated with less, but still significant liver toxicity.

Thank you , once again you've raised my IQ. So is it true that the gains leave as fast as they come or is that due to improper PCT perhaps ? Keep teach'n ,I'ma keep learn'n Homey.

Peace and Love

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