Thread: The guilt is killing me

You're feeling bad because of the insecurities and ignorance of others. Let it go.

Plus, even if there was something bad about doing gear (and there isn't), you're doing it to yourself and not someone else. Hell, it's not like you're doing a drive by 'roids injection.

It'll take you to new levels in your passion for body building. So long as your do it intelligently, enjoy it.

Bro no matter what anyone says about it no one else has the right to judge you or what you as a resposible adult choose to put in your body. Why do you feel like now you cant be a role model? Just because you chose to take your self to the next level dosent mean your gonna start beatin kids an robbing banks right? Do your thing and continue to be a role model to the little Hulks out there by teaching them how to be a good man. To hell with all the rest of that stuff let it go.

Good old Arnold is a role model to many....the people of California actually elected him governor. And we all know he used the sauce and drugs in the past....yet is still respected (and governor). It's nobody's business what you do to yourself, as long as you don't harm anyone else. IMHO.

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God damn I want to jump you ass so bad, but I see this as an opportunity to open your eyes a little.

You are doing something illegal. You can justify it a thousand different ways, and some of those ways might even make you feel a little better about it. Some of those reasons are real and some aren't.

First, steroids are not tylenol. Tylenol doesn't give you bitch tits. Tylenol doesn't beat your liver half to death in only 10 weeks. Tylenol won't cause elevated hypo-mania followed by severe depression. Steriods are more dangerous than most illegal recreational drugs.

Steriods do lead to violent crime, because like any other illegal drug, there is a black market for it, and where there is a black market, there is crime.

You are not taking steroids to be healthy. You are doing it be be muscular. You are doing it to to look better, and feel better. Think about that. You are taking an illegal substance to feel better. Do you see? Can you make the connection? You are no different than someone smoking a bowl to take the edge off after work.

Also, you are making judgments about what other people put in their body and how they live their life in the same post that you admit to doing the exact same thing. That is one of the reasons I have always thought were a huge douche bag. But that isn't what I am posting here to say. You have made a conscious decision to take control of your life and make a decision about what you put in your body that doesn't involve anyone else.

You feel like shit, because you know deep down that you are doing one thing, but saying another. You don't have to feel bad. Admit to yourself that you may have been wrong about a lot of things. That is called growing. If you can let go of your ego and accept the knew knowledge, you are just that much wiser.

It's cool man. Everyone is cool. You choose what to put it inside of you, it's your body to put stuff in. Put it in. It's cool. Put it inside where it feels cool man.

Originally Posted by Hoglander

It's cool man. Everyone is cool. You choose what to put it inside of you, it's your body to put stuff in. Put it in. It's cool. Put it inside where it feels cool man.

ROFL! This sounds like some smooth talking gay guy trying to convince an inexperienced young man into buttsex.

Originally Posted by KelJu

ROFL! This sounds like some smooth talking gay guy trying to convince an inexperienced young man into buttsex.

Interesting.

Which one were you?







(sorry, it was an easy lob!)

What's the source of your guilt? If the gear was prescribed by a physician, would you feel equally guilty? Or is societies' shotgun condemnation of steroids the source of your angst? Depending on your age, your PSA, and the amount of free testosterone documented by blood test, more and more forward-think docs are prescribing testosterone and deca (for joint pain, in my case) because they genuinely want to improve their patients' quality of life. My normal testosterone results confirm I'm high-normal -- but high-normal for a man in his fifties. Well, amigo, I am a much healthier, happier fire-eating citizen now that my test levels are that of a twenty year old. I wish I would have learned of the benefits when I was in my thirties. One marker of maturity is that we realize our perceptions of right and wrong our socially grounded, and sometimes those perceptions are just plain wrong. They often fly in the face of logic, and, worse, may be detrimental to our own well being. Granted, this train of thinking can serve as a carefully constructed rationalization to do any goddamn thing we want, but it can also provide a subjective platform from which to make tough decisions. In the end, the decision is a personal one, and public opinion be damned. If you believe supplementation will improve your life over the long haul, screw the screwheads. If you are convinced it will not, I suggest you follow your conscience.

Moral ideologies are crafted by the culture we are born in. That culture also crafts its laws. If one was born in a void, what would he/she conclude was right and what was wrong?

That said, the laws regarding drugs in this culture (US), in my humble opinion, have been created because people are stupid. (As are most laws, but that's another discussion.) Too many people have tried to use drugs, in this case we're talking about steroids, to their detriment. In a positive light, these laws protect people from their own stupidity. In a negative bent, they try to stop stupid people from draining taxpayers' pockets when they have to be hospitalized or incarcerated.

I think the question you need to answer is, does your belief that the substances you are taking help you outweigh the possible consequences of getting caught? (Apply either practical or esoteric criteria to that as you wish.) From the level of guilt you say you are feeling, I think you're more afraid of the general societal ramifications; you're not the "taking a stand against the man" circa-70s-pro-marijuana protester.

lol, wow dude. I know the feeling. I was exactly the same way when I first took a needle, and I've only ever taken half the recommended lowest dosage.
I've also been completely roid free for about 6 years now and have just decided to go on them again. But again, I'm going to be doing really low doses so that my body doesn't have any harsh effects.
The only thing I can tell you is that roids have been given a harsh image because of idiots that have abused them and have gotten a negative result from it. If you're smart you'll find that they are a great thing to boost and heal your body up to keep pushing yourself to the next level.

KelJu... you are the bigest fukin dick head!!!! WTF r u talking about, your trying to make a conection for hard drugs bein the same as steroids?????? completly difrent.... its like saying your breakin the law by parkin in a truck loading area and if u do that your the same as a rapist becouse there both illegal... i knw thats a stretch but its about as shit as your points. Tel me the difrence between sum1 wantin to get plastic surgery or a nose job to improve 1s physical aperance and sum 1 who wants 2 spend money and do it to ther body but choose to use steroids to gain the improvement??? steroids are only a negative becouse there subject to abuse. and people abuse it in competetive sports to gain an edge. If you are not doin any form of competion and are taking steroid purely for your self there should not be a problem. governments should legalize it so its not under ground and people dont get bad info and hurt themselvs. Dude it doesnt make u a bad person for taking steroid... so many people spend thousands of $s on suplements that do nothin every day, steroids are just a sup that actualy works. no mater wat u put into your body your the one whos liftin the weights.. eating the food doin the hard yards not the steroid.. its just giving you reward for efort!

and youv got a picture of a cat wearing glasses as your DP... you are the bigest queer fuk iv ever seen!! dont put others down just cuz its not your choice in life!!... end rant

Wow you completely missed the point of Kelju's post. Keep reading.

Originally Posted by Kathybird

Moral ideologies are crafted by the culture we are born in. That culture also crafts its laws. If one was born in a void, what would he/she conclude was right and what was wrong?

That said, the laws regarding drugs in this culture (US), in my humble opinion, have been created because people are stupid. (As are most laws, but that's another discussion.) Too many people have tried to use drugs, in this case we're talking about steroids, to their detriment. In a positive light, these laws protect people from their own stupidity. In a negative bent, they try to stop stupid people from draining taxpayers' pockets when they have to be hospitalized or incarcerated.

I think the question you need to answer is, does your belief that the substances you are taking help you outweigh the possible consequences of getting caught? (Apply either practical or esoteric criteria to that as you wish.) From the level of guilt you say you are feeling, I think you're more afraid of the general societal ramifications; you're not the "taking a stand against the man" circa-70s-pro-marijuana protester.

Well said!

Simply put, you are feeling guilty because you previously believed steroids were for "cheaters", and now you are breaking the law. Follow you conscience. It does serve a purpose. As you disregard your conscience, it becomes dull and unresposive.

Originally Posted by Hutchym8

KelJu... you are the bigest fukin dick head!!!! WTF r u talking about, your trying to make a conection for hard drugs bein the same as steroids?????? completly difrent.... its like saying your breakin the law by parkin in a truck loading area and if u do that your the same as a rapist becouse there both illegal... i knw thats a stretch but its about as shit as your points. Tel me the difrence between sum1 wantin to get plastic surgery or a nose job to improve 1s physical aperance and sum 1 who wants 2 spend money and do it to ther body but choose to use steroids to gain the improvement??? steroids are only a negative becouse there subject to abuse. and people abuse it in competetive sports to gain an edge. If you are not doin any form of competion and are taking steroid purely for your self there should not be a problem. governments should legalize it so its not under ground and people dont get bad info and hurt themselvs. Dude it doesnt make u a bad person for taking steroid... so many people spend thousands of $s on suplements that do nothin every day, steroids are just a sup that actualy works. no mater wat u put into your body your the one whos liftin the weights.. eating the food doin the hard yards not the steroid.. its just giving you reward for efort!

Is you reading comprehension on a second grade level? Reads the post again, I wasn't saying anything that you replied to.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Hell, it's not like you're doing a drive by 'roids injection.

Hahahaha , just got a real funny picture of that in my head

Originally Posted by KelJu

Is you reading comprehension on a second grade level?

KEJU, in the past I have not been a big fan of your posts, and I have called you a d-bag many times, although you are probably just another guy like me trying express your feelings....So whatever the guy wrote to you, just disregard it lets not make this just another thread where guys motherfuck each other........................I respect all the answers I got and I think they are great, even yours. Your posts was very cold and real, its not at all what I wanted to hear but it is real, although, I disagree with a few things in there but I will not bring them up....i apreciate your comment.

Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

\Hey, so bodybuilding has been a part of my life for 7-8 years, i made huge gains and now im 224 pounds at 12% BF at 6'0....I live the life and never even touched gear and always was an advocate for the "responsible user", the you know...the kind that always tell’s people to wait until they know what they are doing and such.....I did so much research and i know that steroids are not any worse for you than tylenol...i know that there is no such thing as "roid rage" I also know that unlike marijuana and other controled substances, Steroids are not the source of violent crime, prostitution and torn families....I also know that it is illegal to use roids...........All my life I have been taught to be a good man, I would never even think about doing anything imoral such as a theft or cheat someone out of something or be rude to my elders...........and never ever, in my life I thoght that I would feel like complete fucking shit for taing steroids....I took my first low dose cycle this morning and I am regreting it soooo bad, I feel like im the worst person in the world...i feel like im doing something wrong and that now I can be a rolemodel for anyone anymore.....why is this happening to me, I did all ym research, I ate all my vitamins and im a good person and a big advocate for streoid use amongst healthy adults...why? I just thought that I was doing the right thing and that im doing it for the right reasons and the right way

Been read'n this awhile,and my answer will mean as much as anyone's concern'n your feel'ns and your life...................absolutely NOTHIN. You live for you , you die for you, and you answer for your deeds for you ALONE. Everyone's got ideas of what THEY think or would do, that doesn't really help you. To me and a lot of us,it's no big deal but it means something inside to you. I have no answer except, do what you can live with. To thine own self be true.

Peace and Love