Thread: Is PCT necessary if doing HRT?

Yes, you do need PCT if you are taking dosages that will take your testosterone above 'normal'.

In terms of whether or not you need those dosages, it would be prudent to look at your diet first. How many calories are you eating each day?

Originally Posted by 2tomlinson

If a guy on year-round hormone replacement therapy decided to up the supplimental ante for a twelve week cycle, would he need to do post cycle therapy? I have found nothing written on this subject, so turn to the experts here. Example: the weekly HRT consists of 210 mg of testosterone C mixed with 100 mg nalderone, 4 IUs of HGH daily, plus one tab of anastrozole 3x weekly. I'm 5'11" 215 lbs and am interested in gaining definition and endurance, not gaining mass. I lift 3 x week (light with lots of reps) and do cardio six days a week, Versaclimber and open water swimming. A body builder friend suggested 500 mg test, 250 mg deca, 200 mg primabolan (he says it has the least side effects and good for cutting) but didn't know if I would need to do PCT after the twelve week cycle. Do these dosages seem in the ballpark? At age 59, a temporary shut-down of the hormonal pumps is less of a concern than, say, to a 20-year old, but I'd still prefer not to miss out on any sack fun. I'd really appreciate your opinions.

I've actually asked this question already. You're basically describing the blast and cruise menthod. I'm doing the same thing right now. The answer, actually, is no. You don't need a PCT when you resume your HRT dose. Because you're still administering external doses of test so in a sense there is no "post" cycle.
Got that from Heavy himself.

2tomlinson, go with FMJ. I was mistaken.

However, I'm still stickin with my guns regarding evaluating your diet if you are interested with gaining definition (dropping fat)

No PCT is needed just resume the HRT dose when you are done with the blast.

You may want to do a course of HCG for a few months if you want the boys running.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

No PCT is needed just resume the HRT dose when you are done with the blast.

You may want to do a course of HCG for a few months if you want the boys running.

You guys are great, thanks so much. I'll start tomorrow -- Sunday is an easy day to remember, depending on what you do the night before. As to the Human Gonadal stuff PCT, I'll do it. Nothing's too good for Zamboni and the Hat trick Twins. 500 Test C, 250 Deca, 200 Primo for twelve weeks sounds right, lifting three days a week?

Originally Posted by 2tomlinson

You guys are great, thanks so much. I'll start tomorrow -- Sunday is an easy day to remember, depending on what you do the night before. As to the Human Gonadal stuff PCT, I'll do it. Nothing's too good for Zamboni and the Hat trick Twins. 500 Test C, 250 Deca, 200 Primo for twelve weeks sounds right, lifting three days a week?

Primo is great if you have a vagina.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Primo is great if you have a vagina.

Well . . . I have a vagina, but it's only on loan through marriage. Do I detect some cynicism regarding Primo? I'm the rookie here, a friend suggested it, but I am wide open to better alternatives. I would like to avoid the noxious side effects, but only the serious stuff like frying my liver or growing a tail. What do you recommend?

Arnold must have had a vagina then, because Primo was one of The Oak's faves.

2tomlinson, joking aside you probably won't get much from the Primo. HI won't steer you wrong.

Originally Posted by Built

Arnold must have had a vagina then, because Primo was one of The Oak's faves.

2tomlinson, joking aside you probably won't get much from the Primo. HI won't steer you wrong.

Well, I put my trust in this forum. It's really interesting, to me, this new opportunity to be fitter and stronger than ever at my age.

Originally Posted by 2tomlinson

Well . . . I have a vagina, but it's only on loan through marriage. Do I detect some cynicism regarding Primo? I'm the rookie here, a friend suggested it, but I am wide open to better alternatives. I would like to avoid the noxious side effects, but only the serious stuff like frying my liver or growing a tail. What do you recommend?

Testosterone needs to be the base of virtually all stacks. It works dose dependantly so the more you use the more it works. Deca is good for joint pain and bulking. Winny is fine for contest prep but is pretty weak. Primo is seriously weak.

Primo is just really expensive. I mean, how much would you get out of 200mg of test, right? I can't help but think a guy running 750 mg of Primo would feel SOMETHING - other than the money running out of his wallet!

Originally Posted by Built

Primo is just really expensive. I mean, how much would you get out of 200mg of test, right? I can't help but think a guy running 750 mg of Primo would feel SOMETHING - other than the money running out of his wallet!

Well, I'm lucky in that I'm not worried about my wallet. But I do appreciate your concern, and what a perk to have people in the know offering advice. So . . . a lot of Primo might be beneficial? You are certainly right about Deca being good for joint pain. Man, it put an end to back pain within three days of starting it (plus the epidurals). So just Test and Deca?

2tomlinson, stick with HI's advice. PS if you're not worried about your wallet, buy ME the Primo!

Originally Posted by 2tomlinson

If a guy on year-round hormone replacement therapy decided to up the supplimental ante for a twelve week cycle, would he need to do post cycle therapy? I have found nothing written on this subject, so turn to the experts here. Example: the weekly HRT consists of 210 mg of testosterone C mixed with 100 mg nalderone, 4 IUs of HGH daily, plus one tab of anastrozole 3x weekly. I'm 5'11" 215 lbs and am interested in gaining definition and endurance, not gaining mass. I lift 3 x week (light with lots of reps) and do cardio six days a week, Versaclimber and open water swimming. A body builder friend suggested 500 mg test, 250 mg deca, 200 mg primabolan (he says it has the least side effects and good for cutting) but didn't know if I would need to do PCT after the twelve week cycle. Do these dosages seem in the ballpark? At age 59, a temporary shut-down of the hormonal pumps is less of a concern than, say, to a 20-year old, but I'd still prefer not to miss out on any sack fun. I'd really appreciate your opinions.

That's one comprehensive HRT. If you don't mind me asking, what was your diagnosis?

I'll mention mine:

Empty Sella Syndrome

200mg ew of primo is just a waste of your money. For the amount your going to spend on that you should just get some anavar and run 50-100mg ed as long as you can.

Originally Posted by Hoglander

I'll mention mine:

Empty Sella Syndrome

I'd never heard of ESS but looked it up. Interesting. My diagnosis is Ol-fuck-itis, a less rare malady. I was very lucky to run into an MD who specializes in HRT, does a lot of research, really passionate on the subject, so count my lucky stars. I'll check on the Anavar, Dragon, thanks.