Thread: Testicles size

3-6 weeks

I hope your not on HCG, clomid and nolvadex at the same time.

Yeah, run the HCG before the PCT starts..

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

Yeah, run the HCG before the PCT starts..

Why not? roadking posted otherwise on "first cycle and PCT"

im confused, please explain

this is what im talking about

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

10g creatine daily

although I dont personally recomend it you can use HCG during PCT. The problem with doing so is that it can complicate your PCT. Hcg is an aromatising compound so obviously this is going to have a rebound effect if used during a clomid/Nolva PCT therapy. It can be done however if one includes a suicide inhibitor such as aromasin to their PCT. Again IMHO it is much better to just run HCG during cycle however it can be succesfully run during PCT

Originally Posted by paolo584

this is what im talking about

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

10g creatine daily

Hes still learnin bro an I'm sure he was just tryin to help. I do disagree with running it during PCT

Originally Posted by jcar1016

Again IMHO it is much better to just run HCG during cycle however it can be succesfully run during PCT

+1.

Why wait for the problem to happen so that you can fix it....when you can avoid the problem (testicular atrophy) before it begins?


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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

+1.

Why wait for the problem to happen so that you can fix it....when you can avoid the problem (testicular atrophy) before it begins?


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what u mean Victor??which side do u support?

Originally Posted by doctormomen

what u mean Victor??which side do u support?

Basically....it's much better to run HCG during your cycle, this way you avoid testicular atrophy all together. If you don't run it during your cycle, your balls will shrink up....but, eventually go back to normal size.

I personally do not like having balls the size of raisins at any time, so I use it along side my cycles, NOT for PCT.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Basically....it's much better to run HCG during your cycle, this way you avoid testicular atrophy all together. If you don't run it during your cycle, your balls will shrink up....but, eventually go back to normal size.

I personally do not like having balls the size of raisins at any time, so I use it along side my cycles, NOT for PCT.



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i got it
so if im going to use it during cycle,how will be the schedule ?
-if im not wrong- i know that using HCG more than 16 days results in desensitization of LH receptors.

If there was some confusion on something I wrote I'm certainly sorry for the misunderstanding. I was merely trying to say not to use HCG in PCT along with nolva & clomid. My thoughts and the way I use HCG is to use small doses throughout a cycle.250iu's twice per week the whole cycle. Whoever wrote what you put up there in bold print wasnt me my friend. 250iu's twice per works for me but some do go 500iu's twice per week with good results. As for PCT I would have reccommended clomid and nolvadex(pharm grade) run together with clomid being 50 mgs for four weeks, nolvadex 20 mgs per day for four weeks and another (fifth week) nolvadex at 10 mgs to finish things off. Depending on the ester(long or short) lets say with test-E Pct should begin 14 days after last pin. Ai should be used throughout cycle, I use arimadex at .5 mg EOD and right up until PCT starts. I know it gets confusing on who wrote what and I certainly dont ever try to lead anyone down a bad path. There are real good stickies on PCT and lots of other information available and I think when you read them all you will see that this is pretty basic protocol, some tweak things just a bit. For example..some like more clomid but personally I dont think it's needed and it comes with more sides.

The post you are referring to was made by doctormomen. Most of the information in that sticky was put there by heavyiron and is a great read. It can be confusing try to keep things simple. Just do your HCG twice per on cycle and it will help your PCT be so much easier.

Originally Posted by paolo584

this is what im talking about

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

10g creatine daily

You need to read the whole protocol. I only recommend HCG While the aas ester is clearing so if you take cypionate you may start the hcg at higher doses the next day. Since cypionate will still be clearing for at least 10-14 days you are not post cycle yet. Once the Cypionate clears you stop using the HCG.

I recommend the following PCT protocol for esters like Cypionate and Enanthate;

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

10g creatine daily

The HCG is administered BEFORE the ester clears to increase the mass of the testes and bring back ITT levels. This will allow the testes to sustain output of testosterone sooner.

Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.

Aromasin or a similar aromatase inhibitor is for testosterone recovery and it is used to keep the testosterone/estrogen balance in favor of testosterone. It is also helps to keep any additionally occurring estrogen from HCG low to none.

Cortisol is catabolic. It is the enemy of all anabolism and must be kept in check. While it is blocked when under the influence of AAS, it is free to attach to the Anabolic Receptors (AR) once the steroids leave. Due to this blockage Cortisol tends to accumulate and increase when on. A low level is desirable however since it is important for other vital functions such as control of inflammation. Balance is the key. Vitimin C keeps the exercise induced rise of Cortisol in check.

The use of Creatine has shown to increase ATP metabolism and cellular water storage among many other things. This is beneficial because it provides for heightened nutrient storage and a slight increase in anabolism as well as workout stamina.

First Cycle and PCT

~heavyiron~

Originally Posted by doctormomen

what u mean Victor??which side do u support?

He means implants

Originally Posted by srbijadotokija

He means implants

Even on high dose Test without HCG, his nuts remains bigger than his brain!!!

Sorry i gotta respect a man so wise, he has the ability to be an asshole in four different languages!
Galenika is da bomb!!!

No disrespect meant to you heavy. I know you really know your shit and I certainly respect your opinion. I was just trying to help paolo to make sure he wasnt doing his HCG in his PCT.