Thread: First Cycle (feel free to critique)

Lol, nm about the pics...

Bro Im sure the others are going to tell you something like this,

Week 1 - 12, 500mg - 600mg testosterone
week 1 - 10 300 - 400mg of deca.
Stop deca 2 weeks before the testosterone

Most are prob just going totell you to do 500mg of testosterone.

Train hard eat well and rest big and you'll get decent gains.

Why not do a testosterone cycle with some dbol at the start?

I hear you, but this seemed to be the best balance for my structure and my goals. The dosages are low but I tend to be pretty sensitive to outside forces!

Either way, I'm gonna keep a diary of my gains and share it with the forum.

Originally Posted by PIKEY

To start off I would like to say thank you to this board and it's members. I've been absorbing so much information lately and have really enjoyed this site specifically.

Stats

1) Age-29 (30 in 3 months)
2) Weight and Percent BodyFat- 6'0/162LBS/ 8% (which is a little above average for me)
3) Years of Consistant Training experience- Whole life, consistant 2yrs
4) Previous Cycle experience- None
5) Training routine and Diet- Pretty extensive. As far as diet I eat very clean but Tend to eat 3500-5000 cals a day not including ISO MASS gainer.
6) Cycle Goals- To keep 15 pounds of lean mass on low dosages

To get straight to the point, eating is literally wearing me down. I'm hoping this will be a more productive way for me to put on some weight. Gaining is very, very hard for me.

'Here are a few of many links I've seen.

A few issues im having are 1. How long should I run this cycle? There is so many different theories. I was thinking one of two scenarios. First being Deca for 8 weeks and Test for 10 weeks or Deca for 10 weeks and Test for 12 weeks! My debate is I'd rather do the shortest cycle possible if I can achieve my goals.

Other concerns I have, PCT, and what exactly I should run during the cycle to avoid sides and If sides begin to show what precautions should I take and how quickly do you get on them etc, etc.

Cycle #1
Weeks 1-8 Deca 200mg/300mg Test C
Weeks 1-8 HCG 40 IU's/ or Week 2-8
Weeks 1-8 arimidex (not sure what's a good dose?)
Daily Multi 500mg
Omega 3 fish oil 1200mg
Vitamin C 2grams
B6
B12
Glucosamine 1500mg
Scifit- Kre-Akline
SciFit-Glutomine
ISO MASS weight gainer 2-3 shakes a day
9 different grains and nuts that I put in my shake
4,000 cals a day
160-200 grams of protein a day
I'm gonna try to suck down a Gallon minimum of water a day

Cycle #2
Weeks 1-10 Deca 200mg
Weeks 1-8 Test C 300mg
Weeks 8-12 Test C 400mg
Weeks 1-12 HCG 40 IU's/ or Week 2-12
Weeks 1-12 arimidex (not sure what's a good dose?)
Daily Multi 500mg
Omega 3 fish oil 1200mg
Vitamin C 2grams
B6
B12
Glucosamine 1500mg
Scifit- Kre-Akline
SciFit-Glutomine
ISO MASS weight gainer 2-3 shakes a day
9 different grains and nuts that I put in my shake
4,000 cals a day
160-200 grams of protein a day
I'm gonna try to suck down a Gallon minimum of water a day


PCT
Now here is the part I'm a little unsure of and no one seems to have a consistent answer.

I'm gonna have Nolvadex on hand in case of itchy nipples. But some people run it after? Should I start pct the very next day after I stop the cycle or should I wait 14-20 days and then start? When are you taking too many pct drugs? Before I start I obviously want this all sorted out. Between Hairloss, back acne, reduced testes, Liver, what else am I forgetting, oh blood pressure, there's a lot to watch. I'm sure there are a few things I'm forgetting. So all specific info is much appreciated.

P.S- I tried to post pics and links but need a higher post count!

cycle 2 i would up my test to 500-600 and double the deca. take .5mg of arimixed ed. up your protein. take the hcg week 1-12 and do 1000ius/week. IMO

Everyone keeps telling me to up my amount of test but to be honest I'm a little worried of the sides and what effect it may have on me emotionally. Thanks for the info. Should I not take nolvadex with Deca?

Bro you wont have any emotional effects, but if you dont up your testosterone you have a good chance of deca dick, and from my friends who had deca dick they said its no fun at all, their women got mad as.

If your going to use the 200 of deca then up the testosterone to 400. for your dicks sake bro

I just laughed my ass off. Ok, 400 it is!

good work man. and do keep us posted, not like other people who say they are gonna and never do. lol progress pics are great for people to see changes and help motivate

it wont fuck with you emotionally . . you'll feel alpha dominant if anything

That's wonderful, not like I don't constantly choke people out as it is. Hopefully this isn't a disaster. Think positive!

is the 40iu of hcg a mistake or am i missing something

Train 3 more years natty.

Originally Posted by nd2bhge

is the 40iu of hcg a mistake or am i missing something

20-40? Or am I way off? This is exactly why I post so you guys can correct me!

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

Train 3 more years natty.

In reality, what are the odds of that happening? I'm not trying to be a Pro BB, Just some nice gains and maintain, that's all...

How much do you weight now and what do you want to get upto?

When do you plan on starting your cycle

Originally Posted by PIKEY

In reality, what are the odds of that happening?

About the same of you ever having a good build...1%

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

About the same of you ever having a good build...1%

I took a quick peek at your photos, your a funny guy. I always appreciated people like you, your words are like fuel.

P.S- I lack size, hence the gear, you seem to lack genes, unfortunately there's no cure for that.

Originally Posted by PIKEY

20-40? Or am I way off? This is exactly why I post so you guys can correct me!

your off. you want more like 1000ius/week of HCG

Originally Posted by Hammer-She-Rides

your off. you want more like 1000ius/week of HCG

I think I got the doses of that and Nolvadex mixed up, Thanks.

Originally Posted by DiGiTaL

How much do you weight now and what do you want to get upto?

When do you plan on starting your cycle

I was planning on this monday if I have everything sorted out, but it looks like I'm headed to Costa Rica on monday so I'll be back in 12 days and probably start then. My weight is in the original post but I weigh 160 give or take a couple pounds and would like to put on 15 pounds of lean mass after everything. I don't think it's that crazy. I could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by PIKEY

I think I got the doses of that and Nolvadex mixed up, Thanks.

in both the cycles you laid out you have deca in them. do not take nolva and deca at the same time....if that was your plan.

Originally Posted by Hammer-She-Rides

in both the cycles you laid out you have deca in them. do not take nolva and deca at the same time....if that was your plan.

Thanks for the heads, I've read about this, but they say use it and keep it on hand in case of gyno symptoms? Am I reading this correctly?

Good structure and symmetry you should fill in pretty well.

Originally Posted by Hammer-She-Rides

your off. you want more like 1000ius/week of HCG

Sorry for the thread jack, but when using HCG in a cycle you'd want 1000ius each week? Because my source sells 1000iu/amp at a good deal which would make a great addition to my cycle, I'm doing test e, dbol in a few months.

Good Luck man we're behind you.