Thread: NPP or Nan Deca

The active is the same in both so its not really a comparison there. One of the benifits of npp is that it should clear a lot faster.

yeah i know that if you want to do a comp and get it out. My case though i just want to do a mass cycle. Is it as potent with the Nan deca as the NPP?

Originally Posted by pimprn

yeah i know that if you want to do a comp and get it out. My case though i just want to do a mass cycle. Is it as potent with the Nan deca as the NPP?

Then you would be logical in chose'n Deca, as the longer ester would allow the compound to remain active longer (half life) in your system .Need I say that the higher doses seems to produce more gains? Most of the Homeys I know take 400-600mgs/week for muscle gain. I have to agree.

Deca also has a very long active life. Here go with active and half life again, just bare with me a minute though homey .Really it would appear that a 100mg shot Deca can produce relatively active and stable plasma nandrolone levels until day almost 10, hence once a week shots are all that´s necessary for stable levels of nandrolond decanoate ( nandrolone phenylpropionate is active, and like any Phenylpropionate would experience a severe drop off around day 5, shooting NPP every 4th day is the way to go). You´ll also note that higher blood plasma levels of Nandrolone are found with 4 day injection protocol.
So where are we right and what the hell am I talk'n bout? Well, I´d be comfortable recommending Deca for use in a bulking cycle at up to 600mgs/week for an extended duration (12-16 weeks), or up to 400mgs/week in a cutting cycle (again, for 12-16 weeks), as long as something to combat water retention is present. Whichever purpose you decide to use Deca for, you still need to include Testosterone in your cycle and have some anti-progesteronic drugs on hand.The only other thing I can think of is always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca (minimum). I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices. Man I love those esters , But what do I know

Yeah i was planning on
Cyp or test e doesnt matter basically same shit.
deca (prolly kick start deca on day 4 with npp until the long lasting ester kicks in, because i have a little extra from past cycle.)
EQ
Dbol to kick start whole cycle.
What is a anti-progesteronic drug, and what does it do never heard of such thing.

Originally Posted by pimprn

Yeah i was planning on
Cyp or test e doesnt matter basically same shit.
deca (prolly kick start deca on day 4 with npp until the long lasting ester kicks in, because i have a little extra from past cycle.)
EQ
Dbol to kick start whole cycle.
What is a anti-progesteronic drug, and what does it do never heard of such thing.

cabergoline and bromocritine are anti-prolactin drugs. there is some evidence i have seen that says that it helps block progesterone. but progesterone is only fuel for an estrogen related fire. i think u would prob be better off taking novla or arimidex to keep estrogen in check.

lowering prolactin decreases the binding of LH to the Leydig cell LH receptor, with a concomittent reduction in androgen production (1).
(1) Arch Androl 1979 Nov;3(3):219-30

Prolactin and Leydig cell responsiveness to LH/hCG in the rat.

Purvis K, Clausen OP, Olsen A, Haug E, Hansson V.



progesterone is normally never the cause , there is no evidence of it causing gyno anywhere . progesterone downregulates the estrogen receptor; why would you even want to block its effects?


Estrogen is what causes gyno. Progestins may contribute directly or indirectly by stimulating IGF-1 production in mammary tissue .

i like the idea of using yohimbine , might not help gyno prevention much , but so many make the mistake of thinking fat deposits are gyno( males have more a2 receptors in chest sometimes) .estrogen can cause proliferation of preadipocytes into which can mature into fat cells. they also upregulate the a2 receptors ,so thats a good thing to use .
never heard much on using ALC for gyno , but like pogue said ,shit load of info there on A's site .
andractim gel ofcourse works , its like using dht site specifically . dht has been used to treat gyno .
DHT is a potent antiestrogen (2) that has been successfully used in a number of cases to treat gyno. DHT binds to the estrogen receptor as a weak estrogen and blocks the effects of the much more potent estrogen in the body, estradiol. This is identical to the way that some phytoestrogens, like glyceollin, found in soy act as estrogens in vitro, but in the body block the effects of estradiol.
(2) J Clin Invest 1984 Dec;74(6):2272-8
Antiestrogenic action of dihydrotestosterone in mouse breast. Competition with estradiol for binding to the estrogen receptor.

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thanks superman ! I understand now! What doses should i take and what not

Depends on many factors, but if your fairly new then 400 mg Test for 14 weeks and 300 mg Deca for the first 10 weeks will work well. If you go with NPP, 300 mg/wk will do.

Durobolic from Asia pharma is best fast acting deca man! try it

Originally Posted by WFC2010

Durobolic from Asia pharma is best fast acting deca man! try it

I WOULD PERSONALLY LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER SPONSORS PRODUCTS FIRST. Z'S WILL HAVE NPP AT REALISTIC PRICES.

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honestly Svensk Apotek NPP 200mg/ml would blow any of these sponsors away IMHO. I am going to listen to superman though with the long lasting ester for bulking.

I plan on using NPP for my next bulker. I like the fact that you feel it quicker, and you can start pct sooner. Once you get your blood levels up (front load), bi-weekly injections will work fine.

What is front loading and its benefits?

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Originally Posted by ROID

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Originally Posted by pimprn

What is front loading and its benefits?

Very high doses for brief period at the begining of the cycle to get the levels up. Bad idea used by the impatient, IM0. It's better to give your body time to adjust.
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Yeah i do not see any benefeits just take dbol instead of frontloading.

Really, Pirate - why not? Why wait for your levels to come up when you can get 'em to kick in earlier?

Originally Posted by Built

Really, Pirate - why not? Why wait for your levels to come up when you can get 'em to kick in earlier?

This is believed to be the cause of things like Test Flu and some other sides its just kinda a shock to the system but I personally have never experienced anything so severe it would stop me from frontloading. Thats just me tho