Thread: Test E and Dbol cycle

First cycle-might start with 12 weeks of Test E. I like as small a dose of arimidex as is functional and does the job. Gaining a bit of body fat is not a big deal, you can always cut it off after. You want to get the most you can out of your cycle. Never run T3, so I can't comment.

Originally Posted by GymRat707

Well I'm finally ready to do my first cycle of AAS. I've done a few PH cycles in the past. ...

Good job on getting ready to switch over to AAS!

Originally Posted by GymRat707

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d-bol 30mg 1-4 weeks
test e 500mg 1-15 weeks

Starting at 17 weeks :
novla 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/25/25/25

Proper supps during cycle and PCT will be included. ...

Cycle looks pretty good. Most people will say drop the dbol for your first cycle. Like above 12 weeks might be better, but personally I like 15-16 week cycles. I like the PCT.

Originally Posted by GymRat707

... I want to run T3 to keep fat min. but not sure how much to run (and how many times a week)

Also plan to run a AI (Arimidex) E3D 2-3 weeks into the cycle, again not sure on how much I should take. (.5mL may be best for this) ...

I run arimidex at .25-.5mg EOD-E3D and it is usually good to go. Not necessarily .5ml because it depends on the dosage. As far as T3, I usually taper up and down. I start at .25mcg/day. After 4 days I up it to .5mcg. 4 more days I up it to .75mcg. Sometimes I up it to 1mcg, sometimes I don't. If I don't I will run it at .75mcg for about 8 days then I taper down in the same pattern.

Originally Posted by GymRat707

... Going to be eating roughly 3500 calories, trying to a 40/40/20 (40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat) Last cycle of PH I gained too much fat. I'm still trying to get a diet in check for this cycle.

Hoping I can get to 215 with little to no BF gained after PCT.

Only 3500 calories? What are you maintenance calories?

***If you are still trying to get your diet in check don't cycle yet. Never jump on a cycle until your diet is already in check..

After a lot of researching I've decided on the 15 weeks of test and 4 weeks of dbol, I feel I will be fine with this.

@Tyler, my diet isn't dialed in yet for this cycle and I don't plan on running this until Aug to give me a ton of time to switch my diet around. My last cycle of x-tren and SD I was eating roughly 4200 calories a day and gained way too much fat for my liking. That's why I'm aiming for 3500 calories, now depending on weight gains and fat gains will depend on lower/raising calories. However, I'm looking for a good diet, I think my last diet wasn't as great as it could of been and I want to make sure I have EVERYTHING correct before I cycle, again, won't be until late Aug early Sept.

I'd rather gain less then gain 30 pounds and a ton of fat, did that on my last cycle and now i'm basically the same size I was before the x-tren/sd because of the fat gain. However I did a cycle of x-tren and epi and gained 17 pounds, little fat and kept all of it in PCT. I'm hoping I have similiar results with this cycle.

EDIT :

Just read about adding HCG which would be 1000iu/week, is this correct? I heard running the HCG with this kind of cycle can help a lot.

Looks like you have thought this through pretty good and I appreciate the fact that you say you are going to get your diet in check first before starting. A few things I may critique for you is start you'r arimadex as soon as you start your cycle. Reason being is d-bol aromatizes real easy and fast. I suggest pharm grade arimadex and you may want to experiment a bit and see what works well for you. I use .5mgs EOD. Also I didnt hear you mention HCG usage. I feel it's better to use it during your cycle as opposed to running it after cycle before PCT when esters are clearing. Your choices of keeping the cycle simple with a front kicker and basic test is wise. On 500mgs per you should get real good results. Read up on nolvadex a bit more also. I read a article that said anything more than 20 mgs doesnt have any additional benefit. Your PCT starts it at 40 mgs thats not a biggie, I'm just saying. Good luck with getting your diet dialed in and keep us posted on your cycle when it gets going.

Keep your calories high , remember you were on prohormones before therefore not really doing anything with all those calories.Now your body will be doing alot more building with those calories so if anything if you still see yourself gain bodyfat after a few weeks then taper back cause you can always trim up the fat gain but you cant make up the muscle you might not gain by doing this.Steroids are like bricklayers and food are your bricks if you dont have the bricks the bricklayers stand there and do nothing same principal.BUILD THE HOUSE!Good luck.

@ Roadking, I plan to use liquid arimadex, can't decide exact dose because I don't want to limit my gains from the AI. But yes, I do know that dbol holds a lot of water weight thus bloating me out, I do not want this which of course is why im going to run the AI (arimadex)

@ bigrene, good point man. Maybe i'll aim for the 4200 calories again, only problem is @ 4200 calories I don't know what I can all eat to keep my diet "clean" I want to use my protein shake that only has 120 cals, 23g protein and 5g carbs. Last time I used a protein that had 330 cals, 23g protein and just about as much carbs, I think it is partly what made me fat.

If you're bulking adding in simple things like shots of olive oil can bump up your cals . . better to over-eat that under-eat IMO . . you can easily cut the fat later with cardio etc


and pct, drop the nolva. keep it on hand for gyno issues.
Bump your clomid up to 100mg for 4 days, then 50mg ED for the remainder

consider running HcG on cycle, say 500iu every week from week 2, stopping just before pct

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

If you're bulking adding in simple things like shots of olive oil can bump up your cals . . better to over-eat that under-eat IMO . . you can easily cut the fat later with cardio etc

Very true. However, the higher calories I go, the harder it is to keep a clean diet aka, not eating fast food to get those calories.

I'm pretty confident in the cycle as i've done the research, but even with a diet research i'm not very confident in it. I have a guy helping me (I think) so hopefully it'll work out.

I was 220 @ 17% BF and I was not happy, I looked fat in the face, my waist was almost a 38 and even though I looked big, I also looked fat.

I'd be happy with 215 @ 10-12% BF after PCT, I'm currently 200, will most likely be more like 195 when i'm done cutting (want my waist down another inch or 1.25 inch) I've lost 1.25" in the waist already but sadly I also lost some muscle (never cut before so I screwed it up at first)

Yep. 500iu/wk will do. Divided into 2 doses of course.

you're picking the wrong compounds then, dbol is wet as fuck - it's not a prettyboy cycle you'll be running, you gonna blow up.

and resorting to fast food is a copout. Cal high yes but nutrient poor - your only gains will be on your ass. Olive oil, peanut butter, rump steak, chicken thighs, sweet potato, pastas . . these are mass builders . . if you cant work this part out then you'll just end up wasting your time chief.

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

you're picking the wrong compounds then, dbol is wet as fuck - it's not a prettyboy cycle you'll be running, you gonna blow up.

and resorting to fast food is a copout. Cal high yes but nutrient poor - your only gains will be on your ass. Olive oil, peanut butter, rump steak, chicken thighs, sweet potato, pastas . . these are mass builders . . if you cant work this part out then you'll just end up wasting your time chief.

Oh I know i'm going to blow up don't worry. I just need to get my diet in check so when I blow up, I can min. the fat gain. Also why i'm cutting down to roughly 9-10% BF so when I do blow up I have room for fat gain.

Testosterone and SD is meant to be a good stack, SD being very dry gains. Know a guy who used 3 weeks of SD to kick off a 400mg testosterone cycle, gained 17lbs in the first 3 weeks, mind you he is a freak at gaining muscle.

Originally Posted by bigrene

Keep your calories high , remember you were on prohormones before therefore not really doing anything with all those calories.Now your body will be doing alot more building with those calories so if anything if you still see yourself gain bodyfat after a few weeks then taper back cause you can always trim up the fat gain but you cant make up the muscle you might not gain by doing this.Steroids are like bricklayers and food are your bricks if you dont have the bricks the bricklayers stand there and do nothing same principal.BUILD THE HOUSE!Good luck.

I love the analogy bro!


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BUILD THE HOUSE! Words to live by!

You can eat those calories clean if u try, look up some diet examples. ur protein intake should be around 40g per meal and if u equal that with cabs, throw in a handfull of almonds here and there or tablespoon of peanut butter for fats and u got a diet. with ur protein supplement u'll need to have 2 serves instead of the 1 due to it being fairly low. u'll find that its always easier to drink the protein than always eat it, but its always better to eat the calories IMO.

Well besides my diet, people seem to like the cycle?

I'm going to get some HCG and run it 200iu, but how many times a week?

Also, can I post pictures of my stuff so the vets can confirm its legit?

I usually run 200-250iu 2x/wk on cycle.

Could I shoot the test and hcg at the same time?

At the same time, yes. IM with the test and sub-q with the HCG.

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

At the same time, yes. IM with the test and sub-q with the HCG.

I don't get that, can you explain?

Originally Posted by GymRat707

I don't get that, can you explain?

I meant that there are days when my HCG and my AAS pins fall on the same day. I will pin the AAS intra-muscular (IM), and then I will pin the HCG subcutaneous (sub-q).

Your test is oil-based and your HCG is water-based so mixing in the same syringe should not be done.

sub-q = into stomach fat, say 1/4 inch inj with a slin pin

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

sub-q = into stomach fat, say 1/4 inch inj with a slin pin

Gotcha, so I pin into the stomach with the HCG? 23g work? Where exactly in the stomach do you pin?

Originally Posted by GymRat707

Gotcha, so I pin into the stomach with the HCG? 23g work? Where exactly in the stomach do you pin?

A 23g for sub-q? Sounds painful. Slin pin!

I am pinning my HCG with a 30x0.5g right now. From what I can tell, most use 29-31g.

what he says. Youtube for SUb-Q injections

Thanks. Can't wait to start this cycle.

Are insulin syringes the best to use for the HCG and then just throw them away after 1 use?

Also, whats the best way to break the amp? I want to make sure I don't get glass, and if I do, then what? (assuming just buy a amp opener)

throw them away? no! share them with your junkie mates!

. . and here's a thought, why not do some research rather than expected to be spoonfed information?