How Safe is a Testosterone Plus Deca Durabolin Stack?

**Prince** · 06-07-2010, 10:30 AM

Ask Bill Roberts: How Safe is a Testosterone Plus Deca Durabolin Stack?

Question:
Would a 10-week steroid cycle of 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate and 200mgs of Nandrolone Decanoate weekly be relatively safe with regard to blood lipids? These two studies suggest to me that it would be safe: testosterone study and nandrolone decanoate study.

Answer:
Not based on those studies, but practical experience, cycling on and off of a protocol such as that can be safe and ordinarily is.

An example of where it could be a health risk would be in a person who is driven into very high blood pressure with it. Or if it were observed that blood lipid profile was just awful while on-cycle, then it would be advisable to use such a protocol only rather few weeks per year. Being “on” for example half the time if personally having a large adverse effect on blood lipid profile might well add to health risk. It probably would, I would think, just as an opinion.

The studies you mentioned don’t look at that combination. The testosterone study found little change in blood lipid profile; in the nandrolone study, they didn’t bother measuring LDL and HDL separately for some reason, so not much can be said there on outcome.

It isn’t unusual in practice thought for blood lipid profile to be worse during a steroid cycle.

10 weeks is certainly long enough for a cycle to be effective.

Comparisons should be as equal as possible. Rather than saying “Well a 14 week cycle will obviously do more than a 7 week cycle,” which is kind of brain-dead, a better comparison is “I’m thinking of being ‘on’ half the weeks of the year and using this particular total amount of drugs per year. Which is going to do better for me: two 14 week cycles per year, or four 7 week cycles?”

The answer is the latter.

This is not to say that something such as a 12 week cycle never makes sense. For example, if there’s a specific date to be met such as a contest, it makes sense to use the longer cycle timed to peak at that date.

How long would pct be run after such a cycle?

There’s never a need to run it past the point where good testosterone production is restored. Depending on the individual and the cycle, this is typically but not always 2-4 weeks, assuming the PCT is started at the point where levels from injectables have fallen sufficiently to allow recovery to begin.

Is tapering of the steroids up and down a good idea or not?

Not for bodybuilding purposes.

It is more efficient to be at the most-desired level for gains versus side effects or cost considerations, or at a level allowing natural LH production, rather than spending needless time at intermediate levels that aren’t much if any good for either gains or recovery.

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**MDR** · 06-07-2010, 12:04 PM

Interesting stuff

**Pirate!** · 06-07-2010, 06:41 PM

There’s never a need to run it past the point where good testosterone production is restored. Depending on the individual and the cycle, this is typically but not always 2-4 weeks, assuming the PCT is started at the point where levels from injectables have fallen sufficiently to allow recovery to begin.

This is a good point. I had my T levels checked 6 weeks after my lest shot of Sustanon after my first cycle, and it was over 1k. Therefore, my PCT was worthless, as the T hadn't cleared sufficiently to allow HTPA recovery. Better to run the PCT longer to be on the safe side.

**DaBeast25** · 06-07-2010, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Pirate!

This is a good point. I had my T levels checked 6 weeks after my lest shot of Sustanon after my first cycle, and it was over 1k. Therefore, my PCT was worthless, as the T hadn't cleared sufficiently to allow HTPA recovery. Better to run the PCT longer to be on the safe side.

Definitely a good point that I've thought of before. The reccomended PCT start times for each compound/ester are not accurate at all. The half-life needs to be calculated to figure out when you have an adequate amount of test OUT of your system so that pct can be effective from the start.

For example, If one is using 500mg/week of a long ester there pct start time should be much sooner than someone running 1gram of the same compound, correct???

IMO, this would be better than just extending pct.

Or switch to a short ester on the tail end of a cycle.

**Glycomann** · 06-07-2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pirate!

This is a good point. I had my T levels checked 6 weeks after my lest shot of Sustanon after my first cycle, and it was over 1k. Therefore, my PCT was worthless, as the T hadn't cleared sufficiently to allow HTPA recovery. Better to run the PCT longer to be on the safe side.

I see this all the time. Guys think they have recovered. Then they feel like crap a month later, retest and their numbers are in the shiter. I think you're better off keeping the PCT going longer. I don't really see a problem with using hCG for a month or even 6 weeks past last AAS inject then doing a 6 week course of SERMs and maybe aromasin.

**Mr.BTB** · 06-07-2010, 10:53 PM

interesting indeed.

my question is this, what would be the best mass cycle that would have the least harsh effects on the lipids?
Should make for an interesting and informative talk

**VictorZ06** · 06-08-2010, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

interesting indeed.

my question is this, what would be the best mass cycle that would have the least harsh effects on the lipids?
Should make for an interesting and informative talk

I can't think of anything better than test, deca, and anadrol for bulking.

/V

**Mr.BTB** · 06-08-2010, 12:15 AM

Well I have heard many times that the testosterone, deca and dbol is the best there is for bulking.

Wouldn't this be a real bitch on lipids though? I mean one would use alot of things like colest-off, policosinal and all.

I'd give my left nut to do that stack lol.

B

**tommy coates** · 06-08-2010, 06:19 AM

Hi back after my break doing a bit holiday stuff but back in training and coaching.

**tommy coates** · 06-08-2010, 06:23 AM

Hi back after my holiday break back to coaching and training.Hope everbody is well. Tommy.

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