Thread: first cycle help

I was the same age build as you, just at 5'9 when I did the same thing. Drop the dbol to 4 weeks imo, I would even say you dont need to run Deca to get great gains because it is your first cycle, but it wouldnt hurt either. You will still see great gains from a Test + Dbol cycle if you eat well and train hard. For the nolva go 20/20/40.

Best of luck to you, any questions feel free.

Originally Posted by AXrip

So ive been reading some forum threads, trying to piece together a good first cycle. im only trying to put on weight, i have been tryin to since i started training.

Been eating like a tank for 3 years and i have only put on 10 pounds.. im getin kinda sick of tryin so i decided to flip to the dark side to throw on the pounds ive been searching for.

i am 19 y/o 5'11 160

anywayys this is what i think im gonna do for my first cycle.
criticism would be greatly appreciated



500mgs / test enanthate or cyp // week 1 - 5 //
400mgs / Deca
30mgs / Dbol ( everyday )

500mgs / test enanthate or cyp // week 5 - 12 //
400mgs / Deca

PCT // 3 weeks novaldex ( i dont know how much novaldex i should be taking a little help there please )

Originally Posted by Mike09100

I was the same age build as you, just at 5'9 when I did the same thing. Drop the dbol to 4 weeks imo, I would even say you dont need to run Deca to get great gains because it is your first cycle, but it wouldnt hurt either. You will still see great gains from a Test + Dbol cycle if you eat well and train hard. For the nolva go 20/20/40.

Best of luck to you, any questions feel free.

I do agree with dropping the deca this run, and even possibly the dbol, but I don't like that PCT. 20/20/40?

Perhaps try something like 40/40/20/20 or 40/40/20/20/10

Originally Posted by AXrip

So ive been reading some forum threads, trying to piece together a good first cycle. im only trying to put on weight, i have been tryin to since i started training.

Been eating like a tank for 3 years and i have only put on 10 pounds.. im getin kinda sick of tryin so i decided to flip to the dark side to throw on the pounds ive been searching for.

i am 19 y/o 5'11 160

anywayys this is what i think im gonna do for my first cycle.
criticism would be greatly appreciated



500mgs / test enanthate or cyp // week 1 - 5 //
400mgs / Deca
30mgs / Dbol ( everyday )

500mgs / test enanthate or cyp // week 5 - 12 //
400mgs / Deca

PCT // 3 weeks novaldex ( i dont know how much novaldex i should be taking a little help there please )

Should be taking Clomid instead of Nolva as Pct because your cycle contains a 19-Nor compound(deca).You should run an AI during cycle(arimidex or aromasin)and HCG during cycle(best things to do)or after if you can't afford it!Anabolic compounds are good but it looks like you didn't do research for pct and anti-aromatase compound.

right on thanks guys yea i will drop the deca i guess, seems liek quite a bit for a first cycle lol.
do you know how much this cycle would cost? just ballparked or somethin

Originally Posted by AXrip

right on thanks guys yea i will drop the deca i guess, seems liek quite a bit for a first cycle lol.
do you know how much this cycle would cost? just ballparked or somethin

You will need close to 30ml test since you'll be running 12 weeks. It all depends where you get it from. It could range anywhere from $150-$400.

Then you'll have to get your PCT, needles, syringes, AIs, etc..

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

I do agree with dropping the deca this run, and even possibly the dbol, but I don't like that PCT. 20/20/40?

Perhaps try something like 40/40/20/20 or 40/40/20/20/10

He wont need anything but Nolva because hes dropping Deca, so clomid = unnecessary.

Besides, if he even decides to drop Dbol he wont need that much PCT because he would be just doing 500mg test/week :P

But oops, I meant to type 40/20/20.

But either way you want to do it man, 4/5 weeks may be considered overkill for that kind of cycle but there's nothing wrong with being too safe!

If you're going to keep the dbol (which I would!), 4 should be reasonable.


Cheers

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

You will need close to 30ml test since you'll be running 12 weeks. It all depends where you get it from. It could range anywhere from $150-$400.

Then you'll have to get your PCT, needles, syringes, AIs, etc..

Tyler is right, but IMO you should step down to 10 weeks, saving yourself from buying a whole nother vial of test and having a bunch left over, and only having to get 20ML.

Test E is ballpark 70$ +/- what kind and where u get it, D-bol is very variable depending the mg per tab and tab count. You should be looking at around 200-300 with PCT + needles and shipping all dependent on where you buy from.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Tyler is right, but IMO you should step down to 10 weeks, saving yourself from buying a whole nother vial of test and having a bunch left over, and only having to get 20ML.

Test E is ballpark 70$ +/- what kind and where u get it, D-bol is very variable depending the mg per tab and tab count. You should be looking at around 200-300 with PCT + needles and shipping all dependent on where you buy from.

Only a 3 week PCT? Never tried that and never will. Why even take the chance of it not quite being enough?

As far as scaling it to 10 weeks, he will still need slightly over 20ml since you lose a tad bit of oil each time you pin. Having 5-8ml over is a better option than having 1-2ml under..

Originally Posted by AXrip

... i am 19 y/o 5'11 160 ...

Wow! I JUST realized how old you are.

Scrawny (160 @ 5'11) and young are not good variables to throw into the AAS equation.

lol I knew that was comin soon haha
I'm really only doing this cuz I have time off from hockey, and it's impossible to put on weight when I'm playing. even if I'm munchin like 4000+ calories.

no joke I eat like a beast but I can't put on weight at all ever. I was 150 for like 8 years
I just need to put on weight quick then cut the fat with hockey cuz out at the rink at 160 and i'm like top heavy or something and I'm supposed to be a taller strong centerman

get ready for HRT the rest of your life.

what's HRT?

Originally Posted by AXrip

lol I knew that was comin soon haha
I'm really only doing this cuz I have time off from hockey, and it's impossible to put on weight when I'm playing. even if I'm munchin like 4000+ calories.

no joke I eat like a beast but I can't put on weight at all ever. I was 150 for like 8 years
I just need to put on weight quick then cut the fat with hockey cuz out at the rink at 160 and i'm like top heavy or something and I'm supposed to be a taller strong centerman

If you can't gain weight off cycle then you won't gain weight on cycle. It is a common misconception that people think that AAS are miracle drugs to magically make you gain weight.

If you can't gain weight at 4,000 calories/day then eat 4,500/day. Or 5,000/day.

You aren't some freak of nature, you just have a fast metabolism.

Originally Posted by AXrip

what's HRT?

Hormone Replacement Therapy

well I got time off from hockey. so instead of buring those calories off so fast I will have them kickin around. and if I went on cycle I have a greater chance of building as much muscle possible in the time provided

Originally Posted by AXrip

well I got time off from hockey. so instead of buring those calories off so fast I will have them kickin around. and if I went on cycle I have a greater chance of building as much muscle possible in the time provided

At your age though you would have all the natural test you would need to do this.

Besides AAS don't just make you build muscle. Diet and training are 90% of the equation.

Lets give the guy a little break, I was in the same situation, at 3 inches shorter and couldn't gain weight during lacrosse season at his age when I did the same thing and it worked out fine. I put on 32 (yup, 32) pounds on my first 12 week cycle. Kept 24 of them. I ran Test E and tren ace. I know a lot of people look down on pinning at 19, but look at Arnold, who started at age 16, like alot of BBers did at that time with **NO PCT**. They're still alive aren't they?

Anywho, If you really believe you train and eat as hard as you possibly can, and have truely reached your limitation and want to take a step further then, yea, by all means youre looking in the right place. But obviously there are people who have the ability like Tyler said to step up their diet+training and can do just as much natural gaining. Its all about you knowing when you really need it, as I believed I did at 19. At age 17 I was 136lbs, so I was genetically a tiny kid and food goes straight through me.

My .02

Break or not, our boy here doesn't know how to eat or he'd have gained more than ten pounds in three years.

Son, how many calories do you eat every day? What macros do you run?

i drink three shakes a day, each of a gainer "quick mass" i got sick of drinkin two cuz it aint doin shiett
and i try to eat macaroni and ground beef almost everyday, either that or chicken
but when im havin a sluggish day i go for a few quick burgers.
macaroni and ground beef is what my dad suggested he ate almost every day for him to bulk up when he used to train.

im not like hardcore into the diet part i just thought the more you eat the bigger you'll get. i think maybe i burn off the fat too fast to gain anything im 160 and pretty much all muscle the only fat i can actually find and notice is in my thighs but thats because i play hockey, thats where its all gonna go

when i train strictly my legs my weight can fluctuate but its all in my thighs and calfs

Drink Soda all day long (The sugar will put weight on you fast) and if possible, eat a bag of Bagels everyday


If you can't gain weight by my two methods, then i'll give you permission to commit suicide

Don't eat macaroni/beef and drink sodas all day unless you want to get fat. lol

Originally Posted by AXrip

i drink three shakes a day, each of a gainer "quick mass" i got sick of drinkin two cuz it aint doin shiett
and i try to eat macaroni and ground beef almost everyday, either that or chicken
but when im havin a sluggish day i go for a few quick burgers.
macaroni and ground beef is what my dad suggested he ate almost every day for him to bulk up when he used to train.

im not like hardcore into the diet part i just thought the more you eat the bigger you'll get. i think maybe i burn off the fat too fast to gain anything im 160 and pretty much all muscle the only fat i can actually find and notice is in my thighs but thats because i play hockey, thats where its all gonna go

when i train strictly my legs my weight can fluctuate but its all in my thighs and calfs

I'll ask it again. How many calories a day do you consume? How many grams of protein, carb and fat?

FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal enter your food, report back.

morning -
wake up.
run.
post run shake. 1025 cals, 56grams protein
chill for a bit.
make like 2 to 4 eggs with cheese depends on how im doing. bacon and a glass of water, toast maybe some oatmeal.
start trekkin to work like an hour or two later have a shake on the way

lunch -
walk on down to the closest food places
grab either a foot long sub at subway or a chicken club at tim hortons

dinner-
mac n beef or chicken orr bbq burgers or pretty much whatever im in the mood for cookin
then i hit the gym with my bros and i have another shake right after.

i dont really know precisley how much fat or carbs im putting in
i guess i could start really paying attention to the intake of fat and carbs, cals and protein andall that.

how important is it to pay attention that indept to your diet?
and what is macro or macros?

Originally Posted by AXrip

morning -
wake up.
run.

Gaining weight + wakeup runs dont go hand in hand my friend

Originally Posted by AXrip

i dont really know precisley how much fat or carbs im putting in
i guess i could start really paying attention to the intake of fat and carbs, cals and protein andall that.

how important is it to pay attention that indept to your diet?
and what is macro or macros?

Macros is the breakdown of fat/carbs/protein your calories are made up of. ..and you would know what your macros are if you would've done what Built said..

Originally Posted by Built

... FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal enter your food, report back.

hey im gonna piggy back off this......
For my first cycle im looking to gain quality size.... but fairly mild side effects.
i am 5-8" 185 and 11% bg
want to start sustanon 250 and masteron with a pct of clomid....
any suggestions? Am i way off base here?

Originally Posted by jerseybo

hey im gonna piggy back off this......
For my first cycle im looking to gain quality size.... but fairly mild side effects.
i am 5-8" 185 and 11% bg
want to start sustanon 250 and masteron with a pct of clomid....
any suggestions? Am i way off base here?

Thread hi-jacking?!

160 at 5'11'' and 19 is very impressive, don't let the haters get you down. You clearly are ready for a cycle so here is what you should run.

week 1-4 Dbol 50mg Every day
week 1-12 test E 1000mg every week
week 1-11 deca 600mg every week

After this take at least 4 weeks off before you run your next cycle.