Thread: any suggestions for leg movements besides squating, bad knees?

Leg pressing is a wimpy third. I'd suggest using front squats to try and see if your knees react well. Sleeves work well, as does long term use of fish oil-as in 6 capsules daily for well over a month. I take it you may be of a tall structure and have problems with your form? Also deadlifting can work legs well also.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I'd suggest using front squats to try and see if your knees react well.

Constant tension, slow tempo front squats fire em pretty good but its just hard to reach any kind of muscular failure because of the trunk doing so much stability work.

Roast

Roast brings a good point Time Under Tension is a great tool to use. Keep it slow, start out light and work the form PERFECTLY.

look some youtube BB legs workout before you go to gym

Originally Posted by WFC2010

look some youtube BB legs workout before you go to gym

I disagree with that. If he gets stuck just doing isolation work, thats kind of foolish and useless. I agree with checking out videos to utilize proper form, but he needs some advice on leg work in whole.

how bout just using your body weight and adding in some sissy squats after some leg press or extensions?

I know what you mean about bad knee's, I got a stuffed right one, from 3 dislocations.

Man that's a tough one & there's damn near no replacement for squats. Have you tried hitting up the hip sled? They do an ok job of hitting the quads.

I have an arthritic left knee. 20 years of shitty form and an attitude to see how much weight I could do on a leg press (1100 lbs) really screwed me up. Front squats really saved me. Split squats, front lunges, db front squats, suitcase squats, goblet squats...there are a ton of moves, you just need to try and see what works. There's really no viably cut and cleaned answer here.

Myth: Squats are necessary for big legs.

Note: Jay Cutler does not do squats.

Yes..

Squat lighter with higher rep ranges. Still more effective than leg press in my opinion.

the damage iam suffering is from 3 decades of squating. but ill try front squats , never did those before. i cant even squat 135 for 3 without my knees feeling like iam going to pop something. yes jugger iam tall 6'1. i could never squat that much. but the yrs of wear and tear, shit it takes me 1/2 just to walk in the morning. but ill try wat you guys suggested and i appreciate the suggestions everybody gave. ill just half to ask around at my gym on how to do some of the movements i never even heard of. imo thnx fellows " i will never quit lifting even if i have to dragged to the gym" lol.

I too am 6'1". I've excelled pretty damn well with front squats. They feel like they're made for my body. I will go back to heavy back squats, only to mix it up, but that usually lasts only 4-6 weeks.

On the other hand, fish oil at 6-10 caps a day helps. You might also want to go to your doctor for Synvisc shots in your knee. They basically take santized chicken fat and inject it into your area of tear. Works amazingly well.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I too am 6'1". I've excelled pretty damn well with front squats. They feel like they're made for my body. I will go back to heavy back squats, only to mix it up, but that usually lasts only 4-6 weeks.

On the other hand, fish oil at 6-10 caps a day helps. You might also want to go to your doctor for Synvisc shots in your knee. They basically take santized chicken fat and inject it into your area of tear. Works amazingly well.

i take fish oil jugger its lovaza omega 3 its a rx for cholesterol its awesome shit alot of other bbing benefits. but i will ask my dr to give me those injects. i hope he knows wat it is. ill bring the name to him. thnx your a wealth of knowledge bro. imo

Incorporate some light stabilization work like step-ups on a bench holding dumbells. Come down slow and controlled. This more for your knees. You need to address the problem, as you can no longer dance around it.
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how bout some GH? ........ I'll be trying some of these moves now too for my bung knee. I'm not sure if anyone has tried it but I hear alot of good stuff about it, the stuff called cissus? I might give it a go.

Originally Posted by unclem

i take fish oil jugger its lovaza omega 3 its a rx for cholesterol its awesome shit alot of other bbing benefits. but i will ask my dr to give me those injects. i hope he knows wat it is. ill bring the name to him. thnx your a wealth of knowledge bro. imo

Also, I'm not trying to turn this into a juice thread, but have you considered using deca with a minimal amount of test-as in cruise levels(125mg x 2 a week) to take care of the deca dick? Deca is great for this sort of thing.

I second everyone's opinion on fish oil. I started taking fish oil because I periodically suffered from inflammation in my lower back and sometimes other areas in my body to the point where I had to have prescription anti-inflammatory on hand for flare ups or I wouldn't be able to do squat at the gym. Fish oil has done nothing but wonders for me in that department, I can't remember the last time I looked for my prescription, and I also feel it enhanced my mood. One thing with fish oil though is it's not an immediate acting substance, meaning don't think you can take a few capsules or teaspons of it and think you're problems are going to be solved that day. You will reap the real rewards of supplementing with fish oil months down the road so be patient with the stuff.

As far as squatting is concerned. Front squats are awsome and I would imagine they would benefit you especially since you really don't need to do heavy weight for them to be effective. I have to admit that I don't do them regularly but doing just 25% of the weight I can do for regular squats feels just as taxing on my body if not more.

As far as Deca is concerned to aid in knee/joint pain. This may work but I think it also has the potential to make things worse. If his knees are really weak and damaged, masking the pain via deca administration, could allow him to execute heavy leg movements but can also set him up for potential injury. I'd try to get on ball without AAS first and then administer them by all means when your knees are strong enough to handle the load you should be lifting while on them.

Cissus has worked good for me.I don't have knee problems,sholders and elbows have always been my bain.I'm not pimping any product but the one I'm using is called elastiflex because it has cissus plus glucosamine,haluronic acid,and msm.It take a couple of weeks to kick in but it really has helped me.

Deca if I'm not mistaken, helps rebuild collagen, increases bone mass, muscle and bone density. Using 200mg a week, but be forewarned, you need to use some test to counteract the possibility of deca dick.

Originally Posted by dave 236

Cissus has worked good for me.I don't have knee problems,sholders and elbows have always been my bain.I'm not pimping any product but the one I'm using is called elastiflex because it has cissus plus glucosamine,haluronic acid,and msm.It take a couple of weeks to kick in but it really has helped me.

My partner and I are coming out with a cissus related product in our line. I'm not a great fan glucosamine and msm. They've never worked for me the way cissus has. Again, in the OTC realm, fish oil is tops. Krill oil is another viable alternative.

Time to hit up the Adequan buddy

I have a friend who swears by this shit. check this out;

Adequan
Chemical Name: Polysulfated Glycosaminoglycan (PSGAG)
Drug Class: Injury Repair Agent
Adequan is a water based injectable which has been available for a long time for the purposes of joint repair, but never really caught on in the bodybuilding world. In the world of athletics, it was rumored that a very good international rugby team (with a low injury rate) were using loads of Adequan. This seemed to make sense, because while it was not approved at that time for human use, the country that team was from had a very big market for horse racing…and that’s what Adequan was originally used for- repairing joint injuries for injured racehorses. Aflutop, another joint remedy, is more widely available and has recently replaced Adequan on the underground market, for the most part- but that doesn’t mean that Adequan isn’t worth looking into.

Although Adequan works well to improve traumatic joint injuries, it seems much better at improving degenerative or long term, joint problems. It works well enough for either, though. When we look at treating joint problems, a lot of times we immediately look to NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory stuff like aspirin, etc...) to be used in conjunction with physical therapy, but that’s not the optimal treatment according to current research. Although the aspirin (or other NSAID) will help with pain, it could delay the recovery time. Adequan doesn’t and actually helps to improve range of motion and flexion as well as being able to increase synovial fluid. In all treated subjects in test-studies, Adequan improved their joint injuries.

When recovering from an injury, in one study, a side effect of Adequan was that IM administration of 500mgs E4D for 12 weeks produced a 13.5% increase in bodyweight! Whether that was a “true” anabolic effect, or just increased weight gained by recovering from an injury- is unclear.

A reasonable protocol for joint recovery using Adequan is 125mgs, via intramuscular injection near the affected joint, every 4 days should suffice. This protocol should be followed for at least 28 days or longer.

ROAST

Originally Posted by Prince

Myth: Squats are necessary for big legs.

Note: Jay Cutler does not do squats.

I disagree with you sir. Page 179 of the May 2010 Muscular Development magazine shows him doing sled hack squats.

Originally Posted by twarrior

I disagree with you sir. Page 179 of the May 2010 Muscular Development magazine shows him doing sled hack squats.

nitpicky

interesting stuff.

Originally Posted by roastchicken

Time to hit up the Adequan buddy

I have a friend who swears by this shit. check this out;

Adequan
Chemical Name: Polysulfated Glycosaminoglycan (PSGAG)
Drug Class: Injury Repair Agent
Adequan is a water based injectable which has been available for a long time for the purposes of joint repair, but never really caught on in the bodybuilding world. In the world of athletics, it was rumored that a very good international rugby team (with a low injury rate) were using loads of Adequan. This seemed to make sense, because while it was not approved at that time for human use, the country that team was from had a very big market for horse racing…and that’s what Adequan was originally used for- repairing joint injuries for injured racehorses. Aflutop, another joint remedy, is more widely available and has recently replaced Adequan on the underground market, for the most part- but that doesn’t mean that Adequan isn’t worth looking into.

Although Adequan works well to improve traumatic joint injuries, it seems much better at improving degenerative or long term, joint problems. It works well enough for either, though. When we look at treating joint problems, a lot of times we immediately look to NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory stuff like aspirin, etc...) to be used in conjunction with physical therapy, but that’s not the optimal treatment according to current research. Although the aspirin (or other NSAID) will help with pain, it could delay the recovery time. Adequan doesn’t and actually helps to improve range of motion and flexion as well as being able to increase synovial fluid. In all treated subjects in test-studies, Adequan improved their joint injuries.

When recovering from an injury, in one study, a side effect of Adequan was that IM administration of 500mgs E4D for 12 weeks produced a 13.5% increase in bodyweight! Whether that was a “true” anabolic effect, or just increased weight gained by recovering from an injury- is unclear.

A reasonable protocol for joint recovery using Adequan is 125mgs, via intramuscular injection near the affected joint, every 4 days should suffice. This protocol should be followed for at least 28 days or longer.

ROAST

If you have trouble (like me) getting proper form with front BB squats you might try goblet squats using a DB. I have found this to be an excellent addition. Slow and controlled movement as previously mentioned. Maintaining proper form and the slow movement creates a great burn even just with a 100lb DB.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Deca if I'm not mistaken, helps rebuild collagen, increases bone mass, muscle and bone density. Using 200mg a week, but be forewarned, you need to use some test to counteract the possibility of deca dick.

That is absolutely correct. I've read same, however, it will not do it at a miracle pace, many years of damage to the joints ie knees will need lengthy recovery time even to see some improvement. AAS (deca/test) promote very significant strength gains in most individuals from what I've seen encouraging users to lift plenty more load. I doubt the rebuilding of collagen/bone mass/density/etc. over the course of few weeks of deca administration will gauge enough repair to his damaged knees to consitute such a significant load increase that he would be tempted to execute on his lifts as a result of pinning. If he feels crippled to some extent executing lighter lifts (squats) naturally, I doubt AAS will do him any good until he is comforable lifting "relatively" heavy without pinning. I will stress that this is merely my opinion and I could be wrong. Just throwing some info out there for discussion.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

interesting stuff.

Interesting... I'm looking this up for my shoulder periodic issues. Thanks

Originally Posted by CaptainNapalm

Interesting... I'm looking this up for my shoulder periodic issues. Thanks

I'd use the other hand to whack off. It will make it feel like a blind date anyway.