Thread: Another first cycle post - Heavy Iron's tips

Originally Posted by Haveboards

Another boring first cycle post.

Here is a plan I'm going with based on Heavys thread:

I am looking at either 300 mg to 500 mg of test e for 8 weeks.


Sunday 10mg Aromasin
Monday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate
Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
Thursday 10mg Aromasin
Friday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
Saturday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate

PCT

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (Is this right 2500iu EOD?)

HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)


Should PCT be started 2 weeks after my last injection?

Is Clomid used for 3 weeks only?

So after 11 weeks I should be back to business as usual?

Thanks

HCG run before PCT, stop HCG when you begin your PCT, so 5 weeks post cycle your PCT will end.

For an 8 week cycle test prop would be much better and you can start PCT much sooner.

I was looking at test prop initially. Because of EOD injections I was advised to go with test e.

Why would prop be better?


What do you make of this quote?

I cant post the link due to low post count

"For best results, it is best stacked with HCG (Human Chorionic gonadotrophin), which functions as an LH analog and can help bring testicle size back up. HCG use starts the last week of a cycle, and on from there every 5-6 days (usually 1500-3000 IU) and discontinued 1.5 to weeks prior to the cessation of Nolvadex/clomid. The reason being that HCG itself is also suppressive of natural testosterone and should be out of the body before therapy is over, or it will inhibit natural testicle function. But I can not stress enough that HCG possibly plays a more important role in post-cycle therapy than clomid/Nolvadex. For Clomid and Nolvadex, doses are usually tapered down. Its best to start with 40-50 mg of Nolvadex or 150 mg of Clomid for the first week or the first two weeks, and then finish the program with 20-25 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid for an additional two weeks."

test e should be run twice weekly, cyp can be run more often.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

test e should be run twice weekly, cyp can be run more often.

Huh? They are basicallly identical. Both need to be injected twice per week.

Originally Posted by Haveboards

Another boring first cycle post.

Here is a plan I'm going with based on Heavys thread:

I am looking at either 300 mg to 500 mg of test e for 8 weeks.


Sunday 10mg Aromasin
Monday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate
Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
Thursday 10mg Aromasin
Friday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
Saturday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate

PCT

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (Is this right 2500iu EOD?)

HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)


Should PCT be started 2 weeks after my last injection?

Is Clomid used for 3 weeks only?

So after 11 weeks I should be back to business as usual?

Thanks

Having done exactly what you have done which is read the sticky's and put together a cycle based on that, I will tell you the advise I then received.

1. Cyp is recommended for first cycle since it only has to be pinned twice per week. Stick to 500mg per week, so 250mg x 2 times.

2. Adex was recommended over Aromasin at .5mg EOD during cycle. Adex will help with water retention from the Cyp.

3. 250iu's of HCG twice per week for length of cycle of test and while test is clearing. Cyp is around 14 days.

4. PCT should start 14 days after last Cyp shot. The following was recommended to me for PCT:
Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva - 40/20/20/20/10
Adex - .5mg EOD for 14 days

Hope this helps and good luck.

Originally Posted by dg806

Huh? They are basicallly identical. Both need to be injected twice per week.

I'm sorry scratch that, I was referring to another form of test, (prop)

make your last hcg shot on the day ester clears ie; enanth 14days prop 3days, start pct 4days after this. you will get 2 spikes from your hcg one will come within a few hours and another about 48-72hrs. then proceed with your pct!! just myho from what i have researched for my own cycles.

aja44

thanks for posting man.

I was planning on using test e ininitially which I'm pretty sure is similiar to test cyp, injected twice per week.

Thanks for the tip on adex, any links you could point out?

I'm a bit confused on HCG. I have read conflicting stuff. Is it best to take on cycle. Ending with the cycle then starting PCT, or do I start it on the last week of the cycle and run PCT after it?

ndbhuge

You advised to take it HCG after the ester clears. So 14 days after my last test pin. Then start PCT.

still a bit confused

Thanks for you help guys!

Originally Posted by Haveboards

aja44

thanks for posting man.

I was planning on using test e ininitially which I'm pretty sure is similiar to test cyp, injected twice per week.

Thanks for the tip on adex, any links you could point out?

I'm a bit confused on HCG. I have read conflicting stuff. Is it best to take on cycle. Ending with the cycle then starting PCT, or do I start it on the last week of the cycle and run PCT after it?

ndbhuge

You advised to take it HCG after the ester clears. So 14 days after my last test pin. Then start PCT.

still a bit confused

Thanks for you help guys!

The more research I did, and the more recent studies suggest that the best course of action is to run HCG while on cycle and until the ester clears your system. This way your nuts are not the size of a pea when your trying to come back. In this case, you would run it twice per week through cycle and then for 2 weeks after your last Cyp/Eth shot since they take about 14 days to clear. The day after that last HCG shot, you would start your PCT and run as noted.

Thanks man! I appreciate it

How was your cycle? What exactly did you run and how did it go? Gains, sides, did you keep your gains?

cheers mate

Check my sig for hcg dosing info. In my opinion, 400 mg wk with hcg is great. Don't start the aromatase inhibitor or hcg until after the first week. 8 weeks of test is too short.
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Hi Pirate thanks for posting

I can't see your sig?

Do they normally appear at the bottom of your post?

Also i have read that 8 - 12 weeks of test is a good range. What do you say?

I'm looking for modest gains and improvement on my body composition. 5- 7kg of muscle and a 2 kg less fat would be great.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Haveboards

aja44

thanks for posting man.

I was planning on using test e ininitially which I'm pretty sure is similiar to test cyp, injected twice per week.

Thanks for the tip on adex, any links you could point out?

I'm a bit confused on HCG. I have read conflicting stuff. Is it best to take on cycle. Ending with the cycle then starting PCT, or do I start it on the last week of the cycle and run PCT after it?

ndbhuge

You advised to take it HCG after the ester clears. So 14 days after my last test pin. Then start PCT.

still a bit confused

Thanks for you help guys!

ya sorry bro i would start my hcg at wk2 and run it 500iu e5d till ester clears then start pct 4 days after last hcg.
hope that helps!!!

Saw my doctor today. Despite his age he seemed quite happy to talk about my cycle with me.

He actually said if I came in 6 months ago he would have prescribed it for me, but now the Australian health dpartment has cracked down on him.

He seems to think a lower dosage of test at 100 mg a week would be fine. He also suggests running with deca too. He seems to think straight test will not provide the muscle growth I want.

What are your thoughts on a slow drip cycle of 100 or 200 mgs a week? I probably wouldn't need to use HCG. I could use it PCT followed by some nolva?

I'm sure this is a bad idea, but can anyway explain why? I like the idea of a more moderate cycle with moderate gains.

Anyway I'm sure many of you know a lot more about this stuff than my GP, but I'm curious?

Originally Posted by Haveboards

Saw my doctor today. Despite his age he seemed quite happy to talk about my cycle with me.

He actually said if I came in 6 months ago he would have prescribed it for me, but now the Australian health dpartment has cracked down on him.

He seems to think a lower dosage of test at 100 mg a week would be fine. He also suggests running with deca too. He seems to think straight test will not provide the muscle growth I want.

What are your thoughts on a slow drip cycle of 100 or 200 mgs a week? I probably wouldn't need to use HCG. I could use it PCT followed by some nolva?

I'm sure this is a bad idea, but can anyway explain why? I like the idea of a more moderate cycle with moderate gains.

Anyway I'm sure many of you know a lot more about this stuff than my GP, but I'm curious?

If you're looking for moderate gains then 500mg of test E or C will certianly do that for you. And Pirate is correct, 8 weeks is too short a cycle. Shoot for 10-14 weeks. Deca is a nice addition to the test but since this is your first cycle, you're better off keeping it simple until you know how prone to sides you are. When things start to go bad, it's harder to know why when you're running multiple compounds.
Lastly, 100-200mg/week, as your Dr. suggested will do nothing but improve your sex drive. Best to stick to your original planned dosage.