Starting to think my gear is bunk...

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 07:45 AM

I started a test e 500mg/wk and dbol 25mg/day this past Monday and so far have not noticed very much if anything. I also feel as if my libido and sex drive are a bit down. My old source for gear no longer exists so this gear is from a new one. I'm starting to worry that I got ripped off. How much longer should I give it? Usually in my previous two test e cycles I was able to feel the test rather quickly after a few days. Also, if I end up stopping after a couple weeks, can a normal pct consisting of Nolva and Clomid get me back to normal? Thanks for the help guys and I appreciate any advice. I'd really like to continue this cycle and get some gains however if it's going to continue to affect my libido and possibly be a fake I'd rather get out early and get my drive back.

**Silver_Back** · 07-02-2010, 07:48 AM

LOL Test E takes a little while.. but I can't see why the Dbol wouldn't be faster..

Maybe you should Order from WP, you'll lose your house, but you'll be BIG!

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Saney

LOL Test E takes a little while.. but I can't see why the Dbol wouldn't be faster..

Maybe you should Order from WP, you'll lose your house, but you'll be BIG!

Haha no kiddin! And yeah, I wouldn't be worried about the test very much at all if it wasn't for the dbol which came from the same place.

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 08:06 AM

Any ideas fellas? I'd appreciate any advice out there. How much longer should I give it? Til around 3-4 wks?

**Silver_Back** · 07-02-2010, 08:15 AM

If you dont feel the test after 2 weeks, then its also bunk

But since you got both of them from the same Source, they both probably are. Sorry.

Now buy from WP and lose your house

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Saney

If you dont feel the test after 2 weeks, then its also bunk

But since you got both of them from the same Source, they both probably are. Sorry.

Now buy from WP and lose your house

So if I am to stop after 2 weeks what should my PCT be? I want to be sure to have everything back to schedule so would just Clomid and Nolva for 3 wks be okay?

**Mr.BTB** · 07-02-2010, 08:19 AM

Is it from a home brew? or is it a brand name bro? if its a brand name let us know so we all dont get done if its shit. The sponsors on here sell good gear from what others have said, some love naps, some love WP, what you pick is upto you.

**Silver_Back** · 07-02-2010, 08:20 AM

you shouldn't need a PCT. If it was just oil you injected, then you'll be fine.

But just to be safe, Run some Beta Alanine to give you a bump during PCT

**ROID** · 07-02-2010, 08:24 AM

lol. you been using it 4 days and you think its bunk ?

not even dbol is going to work that fast.

just stick with your current schedule bro, i'm sure its good. Selling bunk test and dbol is unlikey. Worst case it is just underdosed.

Give it a month, even the dbol.

If you stop after two weeks i woundn't bother with PCT

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

Is it from a home brew? or is it a brand name bro? if its a brand name let us know so we all dont get done if its shit. The sponsors on here sell good gear from what others have said, some love naps, some love WP, what you pick is upto you.

Mine is from this guy I know who swears its good stuff. It's a UGL (Advanced Pharmaceuticals???) Anyways, everything about the gear looks legit and from what I've read on other forums it does as well. I would just order my gear from the board sponsors but it's just too big a risk for me to do that.

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ROID

lol. you been using it 4 days and you think its bunk ?

not even dbol is going to work that fast.

just stick with your current schedule bro, i'm sure its good. Selling bunk test and dbol is unlikey. Worst case it is just underdosed.

Give it a month, even the dbol.

If you stop after two weeks i woundn't bother with PCT

Sounds like good advice. Thanks. I was thinking if anything it is just underdosed and after a month if not much has changed I think I'll follow it up with some clomid and nolva just to be safe. If that's the route it goes, do u think that would be safe to do? Thanks again for the help.

**ROID** · 07-02-2010, 08:39 AM

monitor your weight. If by the middle or end of the 3rd week you haven't put on any weight I would say its probably bunk or very very very underdosed.

With these two compounds you should be putting on water soon. For myself, in 3 to 4 weeks I would have moved the scales up about 10 pounds due to water retention.
I think you are gonna be fine. Be patient, don't over train, maybe cut out alcohol completely, eat , sleep and keep hydrated. If this is your first cycle 20lbs is realistic inside of 10 week, it's going to be a lot of water though.

If you decide to stop after a month, if it were me, i would just run 10mg nolvadex for 3 to 4 weeks just to be safe. Even legitimate gear isn't gonna make too drastic of a change in that amount of time.

**fray5** · 07-02-2010, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by ROID

monitor your weight. If by the middle or end of the 3rd week you haven't put on any weight I would say its probably bunk or very very very underdosed.

With these two compounds you should be putting on water soon. For myself, in 3 to 4 weeks I would have moved the scales up about 10 pounds due to water retention.
I think you are gonna be fine. Be patient, don't over train, maybe cut out alcohol completely, eat , sleep and keep hydrated. If this is your first cycle 20lbs is realistic inside of 10 week, it's going to be a lot of water though.

If you decide to stop after a month, if it were me, i would just run 10mg nolvadex for 3 to 4 weeks just to be safe. Even legitimate gear isn't gonna make too drastic of a change in that amount of time.

Sounds like a good plan. Thanks very much for the help man. I'll do that and if I don't notice anything I will follow up with the Nolva. Do you think it would be ok to run a low dose of clomid for one week along with the Nolva just to be safe?

**ROID** · 07-02-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by fray5

Sounds like a good plan. Thanks very much for the help man. I'll do that and if I don't notice anything I will follow up with the Nolva. Do you think it would be ok to run a low dose of clomid for one week along with the Nolva just to be safe?

Never used clomid personally. I prefer hcg and nolvadex

**Dusters** · 07-02-2010, 03:25 PM

I can feel dbol working immediately. I also feel a bump in libido from test within the first week, but some people say they don't feel test until around 3 weeks.

**Dark Geared God** · 07-02-2010, 04:43 PM

try some beta-al you'll be mega-jacked..

**jmorrison** · 07-02-2010, 11:44 PM

I didnt feel anything until mid week 2. And it still wasnt anything huge, but it was damned sure working.

**World-Pharma.org** · 07-03-2010, 12:30 AM

Dear friend, its it:

If you dont feel the test after 2 weeks, then its also bunk

best-regards

wp

**theCaptn'** · 07-03-2010, 12:45 AM

werd . . you should feel dbol immediately . . def. in 4 days. You got fucked on the deal. . . probably just DHEA or Tribulus

Go and get some bloods to be sure, then you can guage whether PCT is required or not.

**ROID** · 07-03-2010, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

werd . . you should feel dbol immediately . . def. in 4 days. You got fucked on the deal. . . probably just DHEA or Tribulus

Go and get some bloods to be sure, then you can guage whether PCT is required or not.

I'm not sure about that, everyone is different. I would at least give it two weeks.
I know I have used legitimate dbol before and it seems around 8 to 10 days before I begin to notice its effect.

One thing that does happen in a short amount of time for me is that dbol gives me a great sense of well being. There are even studies out that confirm this.

**fredlabrute** · 07-03-2010, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dusters

I can feel dbol working immediately. I also feel a bump in libido from test within the first week, but some people say they don't feel test until around 3 weeks.

^^+1 I'm really feeling the test after a month or so,but with the orals the effects are almost immediate,doesn't believe would wait a month to see if my dbol works,if you doesn't feel strength increase after a week it's probably crap...

**fredlabrute** · 07-03-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

Dear friend, its it:

If you dont feel the test after 2 weeks, then its also bunk

best-regards

wp

Did feel my asia pharma test E after 5 weeks,did order from WP...Was it bunk???

**jmorrison** · 07-03-2010, 05:37 PM

I have a question about this.

Does this vary from person to person? What should I be 'feeling' on the test? I am mid week 4 of my Test/Dbol cycle. I didnt feel ANYTHING until halfway through week 2, but the weight and strength gains are pretty obvious, so I doubt the Dbol is "bunk". I don't feel anything out of the ordinary yet as far as the test goes, what should I be looking for? I highly doubt it is fake gear, as Naps is well respected and everything else they have sent me has worked well. I will get a blood test when I get home, but all the talk of "feeling" it by week 2 has me a little worried.

**fredlabrute** · 07-03-2010, 05:42 PM

All the time i did add an oral as a kicker(i'm old school so in this case dbol or anadrol),i did feel kind of immediate effects,strength going through the roof,working out without feeling tired...Share Capt'n opinion on this...

**bigrene** · 07-03-2010, 08:07 PM

Yeah within a couple days for dbol and test e 2 weeks sounds fair. Im a hard gainer myself only done a few cycles but when I did dbol with test I did 50 mg. that was a dose that gave me results so for your weight and height I think you should.Lot of water but helps pych up the workouts

**unclem** · 07-04-2010, 12:41 PM

it all depends on how fresh your receptors are. if you have been off a little while then it will take orals and test a little longer to " build up ". but if you bridge like me, ill notice it if its bunk or not within a week both oral and inject. again though everybodys different.

**Dusters** · 07-04-2010, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by jmorrison

I have a question about this.

Does this vary from person to person? What should I be 'feeling' on the test? I am mid week 4 of my Test/Dbol cycle. I didnt feel ANYTHING until halfway through week 2, but the weight and strength gains are pretty obvious, so I doubt the Dbol is "bunk". I don't feel anything out of the ordinary yet as far as the test goes, what should I be looking for? I highly doubt it is fake gear, as Naps is well respected and everything else they have sent me has worked well. I will get a blood test when I get home, but all the talk of "feeling" it by week 2 has me a little worried.

As far as noticing the dbol, you should be putting on weight like you never have before, even if your calories are at "maintenance level". You'll feel a steady increase in strength. Within a couple of weeks of using dbol for the first time, you'll easily be making personal bests on all of your lifts.

With the test, you should feel a bump in libido, which will become a surge by week 4. The dbol will probably overshadow the other effects of the test at first. You might even lose a little water weight when stopping the dbol. Your strength and weight gain should continue for the rest of your cycle. You will also most likely get acne in places you've never had it before.

**ROID** · 07-04-2010, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by jmorrison

I have a question about this.

Does this vary from person to person? What should I be 'feeling' on the test? I am mid week 4 of my Test/Dbol cycle. I didnt feel ANYTHING until halfway through week 2, but the weight and strength gains are pretty obvious, so I doubt the Dbol is "bunk". I don't feel anything out of the ordinary yet as far as the test goes, what should I be looking for? I highly doubt it is fake gear, as Naps is well respected and everything else they have sent me has worked well. I will get a blood test when I get home, but all the talk of "feeling" it by week 2 has me a little worried.

varies from person to person.

if your weight and strength are going up then you should have no worries

**unclem** · 07-05-2010, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

werd . . you should feel dbol immediately . . def. in 4 days. You got fucked on the deal. . . probably just DHEA or Tribulus

Go and get some bloods to be sure, then you can guage whether PCT is required or not.

that sucks to hear somebody got fucking scammed boy i hate that. i know how the poor guy feels it sucks ass.

**ROID** · 07-05-2010, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by unclem

that sucks to hear somebody got fucking scammed boy i hate that. i know how the poor guy feels it sucks ass.

The bad part about scammers, at least the semi-intelligent ones, is that they will send you something but its either underdosed, underfilled, or they substitute test for every injectable and dbol for every oral.

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