Thread: Superdrol and havoc cycle help

go with your second option, its a better idea for your livers sake. Im a big fan of the bridge technique like that.

Do you think I should start off with the SD and add the Epi or would it be better to start out with EPi and add SD for the last 3 weeks? I was also thinking

week 1 - 20 epi
week 2- 30 epi
week 3 - 30 epi / 10 SD
week 4 - 20 epi / 20 SD
week 5 - 20 epi/ 20 SD

I have 900 mg of Epistane and 600 mg of SD total, but I have read that taking SD for 3 weeks is best so I will not use it all (as much as I want to due to my "more is better" mentality)

Some people on this board don't really care for posts discussing designer steroids in the Anabolic forum. You might get more of a response if you posted this question in the supplement section.

Originally Posted by rgprestige15

Do you think I should start off with the SD and add the Epi or would it be better to start out with EPi and add SD for the last 3 weeks? I was also thinking

week 1 - 20 epi
week 2- 30 epi
week 3 - 30 epi / 10 SD
week 4 - 20 epi / 20 SD
week 5 - 20 epi/ 20 SD

I have 900 mg of Epistane and 600 mg of SD total, but I have read that taking SD for 3 weeks is best so I will not use it all (as much as I want to due to my "more is better" mentality)

Start with the SD personally and roll into the EPI.

Originally Posted by GXR64

go with your second option, its a better idea for your livers sake. Im a big fan of the bridge technique like that.

do you bridge your gear bro, if you dont mind me asking? i love bridgers, iam never totally off gear either i bridge lower dosages, my theory being why work that hard all cycle and lose most of it by the time next cycle comes around. the only time i did not bridge was when i did 400mg ed of androil. 10 caps ed. it stayed in my system for 42 days and i lost nothing. i did do alot of test with it but it was the androil, i love that shit. you keep everything when you come off for up to, depending on dosage , 6 weeks, just a little lost in strength but not much. but its to expensive unless you get it from mexgear.com, iam not plugging him, its just its from organon 40mg caps 30 caps a box for under $20.00.

Im not being an idiot here bro, but it really is not very smart to run SD with another oral, SD is not something you want to mess around with its strong as hell and can be really tough on your liver really tough! So after 3 weeks on SD I myself would let my liver take a rest.

It is upto you but you should really really read up on what your taking, and I dont mean read up as in just check a few posts here and there, really read into it and the effects etc, and run liver support.

Also if this is your first time using a PH then you would be wise not to use the SD, most say Epi is the best choice for a first PH cycle and you will see good gains, after you have done a couple epi cycles then move on to the SD, you will be glad you started like that.

Hey guys thanks for all of the input. I have never tried the bridge technique before but after reading several logs and articles it seems like a pretty cool idea. Also I have read read read about SD and have used prohormones before and am well aware of the risks, so I plan to run it at a low dose. I am already loading liver support before I begin the cycle (not to mention getting nolva and pct supps BEFORE I start) and will keep yall updated on how it works out for me. I've encountered several threads and articles that mention liver toxicity being slightly overstated but I am not sure. I don't drink alcohol nor take any medications that are harsh on the liver. Also sorry if I should have posted this in supplements. SD is technically a steroid though.

Oh yea, what do you guys think about "pulsing" an epistane cycle with the SD? I read a log in which a user pulsed 10 mg SD on certain lifting days 2-4x a week. Interesting concept as well.

Yes SD is a steroid.

Bro if you look for heavyiron on here he can prob link you to some blood work done on SD and the results are not ever stated, its fucking harsh. It is good for size etc. But I really think you should not double up on another oral champ.

In the end it is your choice but you only have one liver and again not being an asshole, but when people start to stack PH's then end up in the sick room and it leaks out then its all over the news again, and it gets a bad rap. I am not saying your going to abuse it or anything I am stating that for those who are reading this and thinking about going nutts on it.

Just please! be safe with it bro and look after your liver, you health is most important.

again look for Heavyiron and ask him

^^^ what BTB said.I would also like to ask why use this stuff when you could use real gear?Imo you will get better results and fewer sides from a 10wk test cyp cycle.

Well yes and no to dave, I agree it is safer for those who are not educated enough on it, and those whom want to run it with another oral.

But as to the better gains that really depends on the person and their food intake and training, alot of guys I have seen use SD gain 17 - 20lbs of dry muscle. in only 4 weeks. More so the 17lbs but there has been a few mates that have got the 20.

But again real gear you can get those numbers, over a longer time period, but yes it is safer I agree 100%. Although if you read up and do it right then you can get away with such oral cycles, your lipids will be out for a few weeks and you may get lethargic.

This is the biggest reason ph's got fucked in the ass sorry the pharse. But too many people were using them thinking "oh I'll use this and take more than I should or abuse it because I KNOW everything or more is better" and then you see it on the TV some idiot in the ER because he has been using 3 orals stacked, or been using orals and no liver sups, or orals and drinking etc the list goes on.

Thats MHO

I have definitely noted everything you guys have said. The main reason I am not using real gear (this may sound dumb) is b/c I am at home living at my parents house from college and do not want them asking any questions when I order or purchase spikes from online or walgreens. They would most likely think I was into drugs again and this would not be pretty due to my bad track record (no pun intended) Anywho, I do not plan to abuse these supplements and if I ever run prohormones again, it will be months before I even plan my next cycle. My next cycle will most likely be real gear anyway. Cheers guys. Also got my liquid tamox today- +1 for CEM!

thats the thing mr btb, people always run to ers then it gets to fda in usa, then it hits the news then it gets the fda probing around the componies that sell it. then they send a undercover buyer , then they test it, then the fda raids the company like bbing.com got raided for m-drol , h-drol then its on the news again stateing that its steroids there selling, and then the omg syndrome starts, then the parents find out then its banned , might i add with the fucking old toenail himself bidden, he uses his gay power, since the motherfucker hates gear to no end, he cracks down hard. then simple GONE! so use it if your a fucking no good pussy dont run to your parents or er or anybody , keep your mouth shut even if it kills you. it wont but dont order anything in supplement form if your gonna think theres no sides, there are so deal with them or dont take them. your messing it up for all the good bbers that no how to deal maturly with sides. be 21 and order. if younger leave them the fuck alone dont fuck everybody else cause your a pussy and cant handle shit. you are how you carry yourself and act in bbing. i see assholes at my gym talking freely about how they use gear trying to impress the woman, i feel like slapping them in the fucking head but i dont because i think befoore i act. lets try asnd give our sport the credit it deserves. sorry about the book.

my dream is a 4 month BB vacation to Thailand . . live on an island, pin gears, smash the food and the LBFMs

nah man Rome!!!! OTC gear legit gear! and hot italian women!!!!!! and worlds best pasta. lol

hell ya, got to assume to Italian Stallion status. +1 for Rome

Rome yes but i think the fact that most of the babes have more hair under there arms may put me of some.......lol

ill go to russia for woman and france for gear, everything is otc there, i think, or spain? but i know bbers from uk say they catch ferry and go or the subway i cant remeber which, i could be wrong on all this who knows? let me know uk people?

I read some where france is not OTC, but greece is, also Turkey. not sure on others.

You can have the russians to yourself unclem lol. To mad for me haha.

I like dark feature's and some curv's = italian.........funny enough my fave food too haha

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

I like dark feature's and some curv's =

Post pics of my aunty bro?

Originally Posted by GXR64

go with your second option, its a better idea for your livers sake. Im a big fan of the bridge technique like that.

You're obviously on crack. SD on 30mg as a front run is retarded and stupid.

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

Yes SD is a steroid.

Bro if you look for heavyiron on here he can prob link you to some blood work done on SD and the results are not ever stated, its fucking harsh. It is good for size etc. But I really think you should not double up on another oral champ.

In the end it is your choice but you only have one liver and again not being an asshole, but when people start to stack PH's then end up in the sick room and it leaks out then its all over the news again, and it gets a bad rap. I am not saying your going to abuse it or anything I am stating that for those who are reading this and thinking about going nutts on it.

Just please! be safe with it bro and look after your liver, you health is most important.

again look for Heavyiron and ask him

HI will tell him to use test instead and I'm in agreement with that-especially using test as a 500mg solo cycle for 10-12 weeks. SD=oral turinabol and as you've stated, it is harsh as hell on your liver. At the very least if you decide to do SD, use Liv52 and milk thistle. Preload a week before using SD.

That being said, how old is the OP? He may not even need to use this stuff.

Im 23, and I decided to run the SD for 2 weeks at 10/20/20. Preloaded liv supports (I dont drink either) and am taking stuff for my heart and lipids. Also got some liquid nolva for pct. One week in and I'm 6 lbs heavier -feels as its mostly water weight though.

pinning gears isnt an option for me right now as I am living at my parents house for the summer before I return to college.

bro run if for three weeks.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

You're obviously on crack. SD on 30mg as a front run is retarded and stupid.

how so please explain, 30mg is the max dosage anybody should run. I would like to hear your reasoning and not just that i must stupid. thanks.

I feel there is no need to front load an oral, there is really no point, no oral has huge half life, and if you knew just how strong SD is you would not fuck around and say Im going to front load it. There is no need to what so ever!

woops typo, I meant 3 weeks - but still at 10/20/20

+8lbs today

Originally Posted by GXR64

how so please explain, 30mg is the max dosage anybody should run. I would like to hear your reasoning and not just that i must stupid. thanks.

Just because the "max dosage" is 30mg there is no reason to go that extensively. If you do, you're looking for gyno issues and problems with your liver. The more gear you use-the harsher the side effects. It's not that challenging to comprehend. You do realize that SD and the clones are merely oral turinabol, right?