Thread: Question for Testosterone Cycle

You shouldn't run 1gram of test on your first cycle, sorry. I dont even run up to a gram...

1. After my last injection what day do I start pct

Ill answer that once you straighten out the cycle with more reasonable doses.

2. How many days apart should I space the injections

2+3. Ex. Pin on Mon+thurs

3. Im confused between the differences between cypionate, enanthate, and propiate (sp?) and which would be most effective/best for first cycle.

They are esters.... do research. For first cycle go with cyp or enan.

4. Ive done a little searching for reliable places to order my supplies but can anyone suggest a legit site.

Board sponsors... I suggest GenXXL gear.



You clearly have not done enough research, and most definitely shouldn't run 1gram of test.

Also HCG shouldn't be run in PCT, and on cycle you shouldn't run 1000iu a week, you should run 500 which would be more than enough for a reasonable first cycle.

Im no where near comfortable with the amount of knowledge I've gained to start a cycle. Thats why I'm still asking the questions and wont begin until I feel like I thouroghly understand. I greatly appreciate your response. What would you suggest for dosing? Going over 800mg a week seemed a little odd. Most of what I've seen suggests enanthate and thats what I was leaning towards.

ps. on genxxl gear 250mg/ml for 7.20 usd? that seems really cheap.

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

Im no where near comfortable with the amount of knowledge I've gained to start a cycle. Thats why I'm still asking the questions and wont begin until I feel like I thouroghly understand. I greatly appreciate your response. What would you suggest for dosing? Going over 800mg a week seemed a little odd. Most of what I've seen suggests enanthate and thats what I was leaning towards.

ps. on genxxl gear 250mg/ml for 7.20 usd? that seems really cheap.

Right. I would suggest this

Weeks 1-10 500mg Test E (Or C)
Weeks 2-11 HCG 500iu /week
Weeks 12-15 Clomid PCT


And thats for 1amp, (1ml) you will need 2 vials (2x 10ml) of test for your cycle. I suggest the Axio Testoplex 250. https://www.genxxlgear.com/product/i...staplex__E_250

They also carry HCG you will need, id get the 5000ui kit. That will be just enough. Make sure when signing up you add "Rocker" as your rep, because he is the GenXXL rep from these boards.

If the OP follows your suggestion he will get great results and most importantly be safe doing so.

ok for some reason my mind just blew past the mg/ml distinction. so if dosed in the way you stated each vial would get me 10 injections correct?
ie. 250mg/ml and each vial is 10 ml? or am i way off base... I read alot of different suggestions for what size needles to use, most of what I've read has been 23 or 25 gague. Last but not least haha what are your thoughts on aromasin use? I really appreciate the help you've given me man.

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

ok for some reason my mind just blew past the mg/ml distinction. so if dosed in the way you stated each vial would get me 10 injections correct?
ie. 250mg/ml and each vial is 10 ml? or am i way off base... I read alot of different suggestions for what size needles to use, most of what I've read has been 23 or 25 gague. Last but not least haha what are your thoughts on aromasin use? I really appreciate the help you've given me man.

I use 25g, its personal preference. And thats correct, 1ml contains 250mg of test. 10ml = 10 x 250mg injections. So for 10 weeks at 500mg, you will need a total of 20 injections, 2x250mg per week. 20 injections= 20ml = 2 x 10ml vials.

and who gives 10 ml in a vial either ugl or hg lab. except amps there mostly right on money the vials are always 8-9 ml at best. so i count that way and would order 3 vials to be safe. but the cycle advice is right on.

Originally Posted by unclem

and who gives 10 ml in a vial either ugl or hg lab. except amps there mostly right on money the vials are always 8-9 ml at best. so i count that way and would order 3 vials to be safe. but the cycle advice is right on.

agreed.

Even if they are accurate @ 10ml you are still going to come up 1/2ml short by the time you get to your 10th injection. At least I do, some gets lost in the pin,etc...

Ok so heres what the cycle is starting to look like now

weeks 1-10: 500mg/week of Test E
weeks 2-11: HCG 500iu/week
weeks 12-15: Clomid (100/100/100/50) {50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3}

Sunday 10mg Aromasin
Monday 10mg Aromasin/250iu HCG
Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/250mg Test E
Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
Thursday 10mg Aromasin/ 250iu HCG
Friday 10mg Aromasin/250mg Test E
Saturday 10mg Aromasin

Hows that look for a typical week once on cycle? From what I've gatherd, Aromasin should be continued for a few weeks after the last injection. Is this correct? I've read up on the usage of Aromasin, and since its used to control estrogen/AI, it makes sense to me to use it a few weeks post cylcle, but then again this is my first rodeo so...

From what I've read and been told, the above cycle seems to be productive and safe. I believe I'm covering all the bases to keep estrogen on check during and after and feel like if run this way everything should work smoothly. Anyone got any critiques for my proposed cycle? I want to go into this with the most knowledge and "best" cycle possible.

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

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PCT:
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

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Thats alot of hcg. You planning on spending over 500 on hcg alone? I agree it should be used during cycle as prevention not pct

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

weeks 2-11: HCG 500iu/week

ive done more research and talked to these guys 500iu a week for 9 weeks is where im at now

Originally Posted by BigBoiH

Thats alot of hcg. You planning on spending over 500 on hcg alone? I agree it should be used during cycle as prevention not pct

Alot of HCG??? Over $500 on HCG alone??? Not sure I follow your math. 500iu's per week for 10 weeks = 5000iu's
5000 iu of HCG on GenX = ~$21.00

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For your own sanity for measuring, buy yourself 20ml of BAC H2O and an empty sealed 10ml vial. Follow the instructions in the Sticky's for mixing and storing HCG

Originally Posted by aja44

Alot of HCG??? Over $500 on HCG alone??? Not sure I follow your math. 500iu's per week for 10 weeks = 5000iu's
5000 iu of HCG on GenX = ~$21.00

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For your own sanity for measuring, buy yourself 20ml of BAC H2O and an empty sealed 10ml vial. Follow the instructions in the Sticky's for mixing and storing HCG

He must be on drugs.

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

ive done more research and talked to these guys 500iu a week for 9 weeks is where im at now

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

Ok so heres what the cycle is starting to look like now

weeks 1-10: 500mg/week of Test E
weeks 2-11: HCG 500iu/week
weeks 12-15: Clomid (100/100/100/50) {50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3}

Sunday 10mg Aromasin
Monday 10mg Aromasin/250iu HCG
Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/250mg Test E
Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
Thursday 10mg Aromasin/ 250iu HCG
Friday 10mg Aromasin/250mg Test E
Saturday 10mg Aromasin

Hows that look for a typical week once on cycle? From what I've gatherd, Aromasin should be continued for a few weeks after the last injection. Is this correct? I've read up on the usage of Aromasin, and since its used to control estrogen/AI, it makes sense to me to use it a few weeks post cylcle, but then again this is my first rodeo so...

From what I've read and been told, the above cycle seems to be productive and safe. I believe I'm covering all the bases to keep estrogen on check during and after and feel like if run this way everything should work smoothly. Anyone got any critiques for my proposed cycle? I want to go into this with the most knowledge and "best" cycle possible.

Correct, very safe and productive cycle if your nutrition is in check. As for changes, only think I would do if pin HCG and Test on same day... making u only have to pin 2 mucles a week, instead of 4 different muscles every week. That is, if youre shooting the HcG IM like me, and not Sub-Q.

Check out my cycle log if you wanna see how I do things.

Yes It's rare to get more than 9.5.out of a vial.

Originally Posted by dave 236

Yes It's rare to get more than 9.5.out of a vial.

unless youre like me and know how to not waste gear


key: after injection, pull plunger so air is on top of oil left in pin, poke into vial and tap hard. all remaining oil will be knocked back into vial. may not be 100% sanitary but hey, it works. make sure to drain excess air pressure with open pin.


@OP disregard what i just said haha, ull live at 9.5

thanks alot for all the info guys i really appreciate it.

Originally Posted by bigwillyfreestyl

This is a sample I found which is basically going to be the cycle I'm planning on running.


Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone weekly

10 mg Aromasin daily with the goal of keeping Estradiol between 10pg/ml-25pg/ml. Only blood work can confirm if you are in this range.

500iu HCG twice weekly.
**************************************************
PCT:
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG eod.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses



I do have a few questions for other users.
1. After my last injection what day do I start pct
2. How many days apart should I space the injections
3. Im confused between the differences between cypionate, enanthate, and propionate (sp?) and which would be most effective/best for first cycle.
4. Ive done a little searching for reliable places to order my supplies but can anyone suggest a legit site.


ps. this is my first cycle and test has been widely suggested as a good go for a first timer.

Just don't ramp the test. 750mg EW for 10 weeks is good. The PCT is good but you can run the HCG for 10 days at 1000ius EOD. I like the aromasin, and vitamin C. Good luck.

Originally Posted by unclem

and who gives 10 ml in a vial either ugl or hg lab. except amps there mostly right on money the vials are always 8-9 ml at best. so i count that way and would order 3 vials to be safe. but the cycle advice is right on.

seems a lot of people are coming up short on their vials. This is been going on a while. It should have been corrected by now. Almost seems like certain labs don't want to fix the problem.