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HELP MEEE! (yes my first HELP MEE thread)

View Poll Results: What to do with the extra Dbol

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  • Run another week @ 60mg/day

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  • Run another week @ 40mg/day

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  • Run another week @ 20mg/day

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  • Stop taking it, start liver treatment.

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    HELP MEEE! (yes my first HELP MEE thread)

    Not really asking for help, just want opinions. Not sure what I wanna do. If you refer to my cycle log, this coming sat is my last day of dbol. I ran it 20/50/50/50. Now, I have 45 Tabs left, each 20mg. What shall I do with them??? What would youuuu do?

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    I remember you saying your BP was through the roof @ 50mg, so I would reccomend 1 more wk @ 40mg. No sense on ending on a bad note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flathead View Post
    I remember you saying your BP was through the roof @ 50mg, so I would reccomend 1 more wk @ 40mg. No sense on ending on a bad note.


    I agree.

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    bump~

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    Looks like your stuck with a split poll.

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    I know its old school thinking but i would taper down. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyes View Post
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    Decided Im going to run 1 more week @ 40mg, then also do a kicker at the end of my cycle. Thanks bros

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    What type of liver supplement are you using along side of the d-bol?

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    NAC on then NAC+MT directly after

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike09100 View Post
    NAC on then NAC+MT directly after
    So should this be the point where I rag on you for posting something "stupid" as you previously stated in a different thread that you don't post stupid things? Or should I just stop now?

    NAC is not enough, not even close. Milk thistle has no studies behind it proving that it helps whatsoever with the detoxification of the liver while using AAS. It's an old wise tale that has been forever linked in "brology" and is outdated.

    You and I have a clean slate. No worries from me and I hold no grudges.

    You SHOULD be using Tylers Detoxification Factors or Liv52 (which I have never used but trusted people I know have and they swear by it).
    Last edited by XYZ; 07-30-2010 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder View Post
    NAC is not enough, not even close. Milk thistle has no studies behind it proving that it helps whatsoever with the detoxification of the liver.
    I'm sure you dont truly believe a supplement that's been used for over 2,000 years has 0 studies proving any efficiency of the product.

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    I agree, Liv52 would be a great addition to any harsh orals, but its not 100% necessary. Ill live without
    Last edited by Mike09100; 07-30-2010 at 11:46 AM.

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    First, this isn't even a study and second it shows nothing about the use of an oral AAS compound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder View Post
    First, this isn't even a study and second it shows nothing about the use of an oral AAS compound.
    Youre right, its multiple references of studies or research done that includes Milk Thistle. Not gonna argue with you about it man, MT has been proven multiple times, weather related to the use of AAs or liver cancer or other liver related issues, and some times its been questioned. Either way it will do what I need it to do, and ill be happy

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