Thread: My first homebrew experience!

i think you only need to use a .45

.2 is way too small.. hope your hands feel better

Heat oil in microwave for around 15 sec. . pour oil into top of syringe. use a .45um first. oil should go through very quickly. 25ml in less than 60 seconds, two minutes tops.

reheat oil in microwave, pour in top of syringe.........now use .2um filter. it does take a long time. about 60-90sec per ml. change filter every 15 ml. when using .2 filter it may be best to only filter 10ml at a time because the oil will cool and become more viscous.

You should be able to maintain a steady drip , 2-3 drips per second with a .2. do not apply too much pressure because you will blow the filter. it already seems you have blown the filters if two people were pushing on them.

when you say cloudy, what do you mean ? white cloudy ? if that is the case then you have some water in you solution. when heated it will turn clear again but eventually turn back to cloudy white. either way, it should be fine.

thats wat i used .45 worked good but still hands got tired, but theres a way you can get it to where theres no air trapped in the filter, i did it one time then forgot wat the fuck i did. purge the filter.

You probably filtered out a lot of the powder. The powder has to be added to the solvents first and then you add the heated oil. If the powder/solvents are not clear then the powder is not solvated and when you go to filter you filter out the raw compound. I think you may have screwed up your compounding experience. What did you use for solvents, what % solvents (ie, BA and BB) did you use, what oil and what powders?

Originally Posted by Glycomann

You probably filtered out a lot of the powder. The powder has to be added to the solvents first and then you add the heated oil. If the powder/solvents are not clear then the powder is not solvated and when you go to filter you filter out the raw compound. I think you may have screwed up your compounding experience. What did you use for solvents, what % solvents (ie, BA and BB) did you use, what oil and what powders?

I added 5 grams of prop raw to 2.5ml Benzyl Alcohol = 5% and 7.5ml Benzyl Benzoate =15%..(it was completely clear with very very few crystals sicking to the side of the pyrex)...I put this to the side while I heated my grapeseed oil in the oven to 250 degrees. I pulled this out the oven and mixed the 2 together. The 2 on the left are filtered and the 2 on the right are not filtered.

Originally Posted by ROID

Heat oil in microwave for around 15 sec. . pour oil into top of syringe. use a .45um first. oil should go through very quickly. 25ml in less than 60 seconds, two minutes tops.

reheat oil in microwave, pour in top of syringe.........now use .2um filter. it does take a long time. about 60-90sec per ml. change filter every 15 ml. when using .2 filter it may be best to only filter 10ml at a time because the oil will cool and become more viscous.

You should be able to maintain a steady drip , 2-3 drips per second with a .2. do not apply too much pressure because you will blow the filter. it already seems you have blown the filters if two people were pushing on them.

when you say cloudy, what do you mean ? white cloudy ? if that is the case then you have some water in you solution. when heated it will turn clear again but eventually turn back to cloudy white. either way, it should be fine.

I put up a pic of the cloudiness, please forgive the quality of the pic, but you get an idea. Did i get water in it? (possible as i washed my pyrex before using them) or am i filtering out all my powder?

Originally Posted by pyes

I put up a pic of the cloudiness, please forgive the quality of the pic, but you get an idea. Did i get water in it? (possible as i washed my pyrex before using them) or am i filtering out all my powder?

i'm not really sure why it is cloudy before you filter.

Has the filtered vials remained clear ?

pre and post filter my oil is usually clear except the one incident with water.

use this link for calculations. dont mess with powder weight.

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you can almost get away without BB entirely

If it is a matter of moisture, you can simply continue to heat until you have clear solution , or filter them again and then heat again and filter a final time. I've only seen the cloudy effect caused by cheap oil or flawed powder. In the future you may want to consider
Powder first
blend of BA/BB ,EO,PMSO etc.next
Oil last
then heat entire solution together
stir with glass rod till no streaks or swirlys are there
filter ( if you are work'n with limited equipment to ensure quality , filter twice
THEN warm some oil to purge both filters).

Thats a pretty easy sure way to get decent results without have'n a lab of some quality and thousands of dollars worth of machines.

BTW all the pure Test I've seen for the most part is a pretty smooth filter'n process, things like Tren A are kinda hard to filter by hand if I remember correctly. Back in the day we used chaulk guns to push the syringe plunger down without kill'n our hands.Now thats old school !

Peace and Love

Did you purchase your powders from uncleZ ?

You tired to make it at 200 mg/ml. It just is not completely soluble at that volume and solvent concentration. I would add oil and solvent so it is same concentration BA and BB as you have but twice the volume. It should go into and stay in solution that way. You are probably loosing about 1/2 your compound when filtering at this set of conditions.

Originally Posted by ROID

Did you purchase your powders from uncleZ ?

No, I never heard of uncleZ.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

You tired to make it at 200 mg/ml. It just is not completely soluble at that volume and solvent concentration. I would add oil and solvent so it is same concentration BA and BB as you have but twice the volume. It should go into and stay in solution that way. You are probably loosing about 1/2 your compound when filtering at this set of conditions.

My recipe says it makes 50ml @ 100mg/ml.
5 grams powder
36.25 ml grapeseed oil
2.5ml Benzyl Alcohol = 5%
7.5ml Benzyl Benzoate =15%

Yes, they remained clear. I store at room temp. I would bang the cloudy set but I am afraid of abcesses or anything else I can get fromnot filtering. I think it just may be the .2um whatmans or a couple of drops of water got in as I may have not dried out the pyrexes properly. I will find out if it is the whatmans as I ordered .45um's. I am scared that it is not water as I would think it would just go thru the filter also. I fear it may be filtering out my product.

Originally Posted by ROID

i'm not really sure why it is cloudy before you filter.

Has the filtered vials remained clear ?

pre and post filter my oil is usually clear except the one incident with water.

use this link for calculations. dont mess with powder weight.

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you can almost get away without BB entirely

Originally Posted by pyes

Yes, they remained clear. I store at room temp. I would bang the cloudy set but I am afraid of abcesses or anything else I can get fromnot filtering. I think it just may be the .2um whatmans or a couple of drops of water got in as I may have not dried out the pyrexes properly. I will find out if it is the whatmans as I ordered .45um's. I am scared that it is not water as I would think it would just go thru the filter also. I fear it may be filtering out my product.

you would have seen it in the filter

Originally Posted by ROID

you would have seen it in the filter

You know what, I did not even think to look as I was so exhausted from trying to push it through and from trying to not mess up the batch. Maybe thats not the case then because I remember the powder/ba/bb being, for the most part, clear. It was only when I mixed the oil and concoction together, that it became cloudy. I got my oil from a health food store. It is not USP grade.

Originally Posted by pyes

You know what, I did not even think to look as I was so exhausted from trying to push it through and from trying to not mess up the batch. Maybe thats not the case then because I remember the powder/ba/bb being, for the most part, clear. It was only when I mixed the oil and concoction together, that it became cloudy. I got my oil from a health food store. It is not USP grade.

i use grape seed oil from the grocery store.

when you can't keep a steady drip using pressure from your thumb only it is time to change your filter.

there is a hugh difference between a .2 and .45 filter. Warm oil goes through a .45 very easily.

this is my exact process.

clean and dry a small beaker in oven
add powder
add BA/BB
add oil.
swirl if needed to dissolve
microwave for several seconds
pour into 25ml syringe
filter

Originally Posted by ROID

i use grape seed oil from the grocery store.

when you can't keep a steady drip using pressure from your thumb only it is time to change your filter.

there is a hugh difference between a .2 and .45 filter. Warm oil goes through a .45 very easily.

this is my exact process.

clean and dry a small beaker in oven
add powder
add BA/BB
add oil.
swirl if needed to dissolve
microwave for several seconds
pour into 25ml syringe
filter

Thanks a lot for the advice, I made the ba/bb/powder then set aside, heated oil in oven, then maixed eveything together. I may try your method next time. Any advice on what I have now? Do you think the .2um filtered out my powder? IE do you think I am banging just oil LOL?

Originally Posted by pyes

Okay, I tryed my own homebrew and it worked pretty good for the most part. I used raw powder prop. After mixing and heating everything the solution was cloudy. After filtering it with a .2um whatman, it was as clear as liquid gold ^_^. (yay no crash). I must flame on the .2um whatmans though. It took me over 2 hours to push 25ml through them. I was pressing so hard that I thought the plunger was going to explode or break.( infact it did explode when my fiancee was helping to push and we lost 4ml <_>) Therefore, I quit filtering @ 25ml. (my hands were destroyed and blood vessels were popping everywhere). I still have 25ml that need to be filtered, but I ordered the .45 whatmans this time, so I am just awaiting their arrival. I would label the .2um filters just about impossible to use. I dont even think those syringe plier aparatus things would work to assist with the squeeze. I did not start my winni because of this problem. Overall it was a successful experiment. I just wanted to share my thoughts on this. I have 5 (.2um) filters left that I never used and I would sell them to you guys if interested. I'll sell them at $2 a piece. Maybe you guys will have better luck with the .2um. $2 is cheap as they usually sell for $4-$10 a piece.

give it a few times youll be a expert at it. but never did prop though. but same principles.

Originally Posted by pyes

Thanks a lot for the advice, I made the ba/bb/powder then set aside, heated oil in oven, then maixed eveything together. I may try your method next time. Any advice on what I have now? Do you think the .2um filtered out my powder? IE do you think I am banging just oil LOL?

i've used .2 several times and from results I know the hormone was not filtered out. That is not to say some of it didn't get caught in the filter however.

hmmm.......It's never really crossed my mind if a .2 is too small.

I really don't think so, but I can't say 100%.

maybe someone here can say for sure..

Start pinning. You will be able to tell soon.

Originally Posted by ROID

i've used .2 several times and from results I know the hormone was not filtered out. That is not to say some of it didn't get caught in the filter however.

hmmm.......It's never really crossed my mind if a .2 is too small.

I really don't think so, but I can't say 100%.

maybe someone here can say for sure..

Start pinning. You will be able to tell soon.

I did. This is my 3rd day of 75mg ed. Only side is oily forehead so far but that could just be the oil itself. I figured I would start my cycle as I have enough to last a month or so until my .45's come in to filter the rest. My pumps feel alittle tighter too. Time will tell i guess ^_^

Thanks to everyone that posted. I appreciate everything. I would rep you guys but I either have to spread some around first and/or I cant give points anyways yet. BTW I like the caulk gun idea, I wish I would've thought of that. I couldve filtered it all then.

Originally Posted by pyes

No, I never heard of uncleZ.



My recipe says it makes 50ml @ 100mg/ml.
5 grams powder
36.25 ml grapeseed oil
2.5ml Benzyl Alcohol = 5%
7.5ml Benzyl Benzoate =15%

OK I thought you added 10 grams. I've never seen prop come in less than 10 gram increments. How did you weigh out the powder. It still looks to me that you have a solubility issue so either the powder is off, the solvents are off or the oil is off or you did not completely solvate it before adding the oil.

Originally Posted by pyes

Thanks to everyone that posted. I appreciate everything. I would rep you guys but I either have to spread some around first and/or I cant give points anyways yet. BTW I like the caulk gun idea, I wish I would've thought of that. I couldve filtered it all then.

Calk gun works great. Maybe try to heat it again in a boiled pyrex to get it into solution. Then add more BB to make it 20% BB. That might make it hold.

Originally Posted by pyes

Thanks to everyone that posted. I appreciate everything. I would rep you guys but I either have to spread some around first and/or I cant give points anyways yet. BTW I like the caulk gun idea, I wish I would've thought of that. I couldve filtered it all then.

LOL yeah the old caulk gun trick! Back in the day we would get 100 to 150mls before the filter died or the syringe plunger bent. LOL There's also another method that works even easier. Get a football/basketball pump buy a syringe ( 20ml) compression cap, get a 1/8 inch air hose, attach to syringe compression cap, attach filter to syringe.........and pump. We used to make 1000mls in an hour that way. Damn the stoneage was crazy but effective.If you are just make'n personal stuff, those are still valid methods.

Peace and Love

Originally Posted by Glycomann

OK I thought you added 10 grams. I've never seen prop come in less than 10 gram increments. How did you weigh out the powder. It still looks to me that you have a solubility issue so either the powder is off, the solvents are off or the oil is off or you did not completely solvate it before adding the oil.

I weighed it out with a very sensitive digital pocket scale. I set tare and everything, and I reset the scale by pushing on it, everytime I put more powder on it. Powder is dead on, oil is dead on as I used a syringe (no pin) to transfer it to the solution. The solution sat for atleast 10-15 mins while the oil was baking. Only thing I can think of is the solvents are off or water got in it. I followed my recipe to a ''T'' though. I may need more BB as I have seen people say 20% before. I know this recipe is old as it says to heat oil in a muffin pan. I could not find a newer recipe. There is no crystals however in the cloudy ones.

Okay gentlemen, I have new info on the homebrew that may help investigate the problem. I checked the cloudy vials today (5 days after it was made) and they seem to have floaties now. These were not there yesterday. They do not appear to be crystals but more like a feint pulp if that makes sense!?! Remember, these vials were not filtered yet. This is new and probably substantial eveidence as to what the problem may be.

If you heat the unfiltered vials do they clear? If so then probably need more solvent (read BB).

Originally Posted by Glycomann

If you heat the unfiltered vials do they clear? If so then probably need more solvent (read BB).

seems like it's falling out of solution.

how did you weight the powder ? with digital scales ?

Originally Posted by Glycomann

If you heat the unfiltered vials do they clear? If so then probably need more solvent (read BB).

IDK as I did not try yet, I will try it tomorrow. I would predict that it will not clear up as the oil was 250 degrees when I mixed the solution into it, and it turned cloudy instantly. Never-the-less i will try it tomorrow. How would you suggest I heat it up? I would rather not transfer it from the vial as I already lost some from inexperience.

Originally Posted by ROID

seems like it's falling out of solution.

how did you weight the powder ? with digital scales ?

Yes, a digital pocket scale. It has a capacity of 500g and a Graduation of 0.1g. 1/10 of a gram is pretty accurate if you ask me.