Thread: what can my girl take to lose weight

personally I would go with ECA vs clen. you get a greater increase in the BMR with ECA and you don't have to cycle it plus you get the added appetite suppressing effect. you can stay on ECA for 6-9 months straight no problem.

how is her diet? she needs to go low GI as possible for maximum results. how much exercise does she get?

Originally Posted by lam

personally i would go with eca vs clen. You get a greater increase in the bmr with eca and you don't have to cycle it plus you get the added appetite suppressing effect. You can stay on eca for 6-9 months straight no problem.

How is her diet? She needs to go low gi as possible for maximum results. How much exercise does she get?

+1.

Originally Posted by LAM

personally I would go with ECA vs clen. you get a greater increase in the BMR with ECA and you don't have to cycle it plus you get the added appetite suppressing effect. you can stay on ECA for 6-9 months straight no problem.

I can vouch for the efficacy and safety of EC.(I ditched the A, I got too much bruising)

Originally Posted by LAM

how is her diet?

indeed, how IS her diet?

Originally Posted by LAM

she needs to go low GI as possible for maximum results.

Originally Posted by pyes

+1.

This is not true. She can lose weight on high or low GI food, low carbs, low fat, whatever keeps the calories down.

The reason many think GI matters is appetite control - it helps some control intake.

I'm not one of 'em. The only thing that helps me control intake is low carbs with high fat and protein while keeping my exercise sufficient but not excessive. But that's me.

Originally Posted by LAM

how much exercise does she get?

And what kind of exercise? If she's only doing cardio, it won't help. If she's lifting light weights in high rep ranges, this won't help much either.

Originally Posted by Built

I can vouch for the efficacy and safety of EC.(I ditched the A, I got too much bruising)



indeed, how IS her diet?


This is not true. She can lose weight on high or low GI food, low carbs, low fat, whatever keeps the calories down.

The reason many think GI matters is appetite control - it helps some control intake.

I'm not one of 'em. The only thing that helps me control intake is low carbs with high fat and protein while keeping my exercise sufficient but not excessive. But that's me.

And what kind of exercise? If she's only doing cardio, it won't help. If she's lifting light weights in high rep ranges, this won't help much either.

there is a direct correlation between the overall glycemic load in the diet and the amount of body fat that a person carries. plus a low GI diet has will help decrease serum cholesterol while a high GI diet can increase blood lipids. there is really nothing healthy about a high GI diet.

Originally Posted by LAM

there is a direct correlation between the overall glycemic load in the diet and the amount of body fat that a person carries.

Correlation does not equal causation. Nice try though.

Originally Posted by LAM

plus a low GI diet has will help decrease serum cholesterol

In a deficit.

A low carb high fat diet will do this better, even without a deficit.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1488852/

Originally Posted by LAM

while a high GI diet can increase blood lipids.

In a surplus, in an obese individual

Originally Posted by LAM

there is really nothing healthy about a high GI diet.

Depends how you use the GI.

The GI of fructose is lower than the GI for glucose. But fructose is pretty bad shit. Glucose induces satiety. Fructose inhibits it, and causes a number of health problems.

And of course the GI of a mixed meal is different than the GI of its individual components. This is why a Mars Bar (GI=91) has a lower GI than a baked potato (121).

Yep, according to the GI principle, I should eat Mars bars (which are loaded with fructose and deficient in micronutrients or fibre) and eschew baked potatoes (which contain virtually no fructose and are a source of muscle-friendly glucose polymers in the form of starch, as well as vitamin C and fibre).

Potatoes are one of the world's most satiating foods, and we've been told to avoid them for years because of the GI. For most folks, a Mars bar will just make 'em hungrier.

The GI was an interesting kick at the can, but it's an outdated concept which fortunately is losing steam now that we're learning more about diet.

Built & LAM lost me at Hello!

she starves her self her diet sucks but i can't force her to eat i tried she eats one a day she goes to the gym 2 to 3 x a week. but i can get her to take drugs
lol she only want to loose 5 to 10 lbs she weighs 145

Originally Posted by LAM

personally I would go with ECA vs clen. you get a greater increase in the BMR with ECA and you don't have to cycle it plus you get the added appetite suppressing effect. you can stay on ECA for 6-9 months straight no problem.

how is her diet? she needs to go low GI as possible for maximum results. how much exercise does she get?

Advice about diet are sound,wouldn't recommend that long on an ECA stack cause i did it and my system did enter in a catabolic phase (too much stress and cortisol i guess),now going with recreate(supp from usp labs)with very pleasing results cause the added phosphatyldiserine take care of my cortisol level!

first cardio +diet,then stuff

Originally Posted by WFC2010

first diet, then lifting, then stuff

Fixed.

I thought high GI foods spiked insulin and that is why it should be avoided while cutting?

Originally Posted by Flathead

Built & LAM lost me at Hello!

ya i know. nothing like............

Originally Posted by Kagigi

I thought high GI foods spiked insulin and that is why it should be avoided while cutting?

It won't matter, not for fat loss. It might make you hungry though.

thanks for all the help guy's and unclem for the pM good looking as always clem

Are yall saying that ECA > Clen for fat burning?

Originally Posted by TTFU_694

Are yall saying that ECA > Clen for fat burning?

Who's saying that???Peoples will experienced more sides with clen but there's no way an ECA stack is more effective than clen more so when combine with T3!

[QUOTE=fredlabrute;2047093]Who's saying that???Peoples will experienced more sides with clen but there's no way an ECA stack is more effective than clen more so when combine with T3![/QUOTE

I just purchased some liquid clen and T3 and am going to be starting a cycle I have heard many different doses to start at I wouldn't mind your input.

Female
26
5'3
Weight: 140
Goal ]20-125

Cheers

cpace, what kind of diet and training will you follow while taking this stack?

Originally Posted by Built

It won't matter, not for fat loss. It might make you hungry though.

I think this is based on an individual basis, I know for me it is. This shouldn't be a blanket statement.

[QUOTE=cpace;2062875]

Originally Posted by fredlabrute

Who's saying that???Peoples will experienced more sides with clen but there's no way an ECA stack is more effective than clen more so when combine with T3![/QUOTE

I just purchased some liquid clen and T3 and am going to be starting a cycle I have heard many different doses to start at I wouldn't mind your input.

Female
26
5'3
Weight: 140
Goal ]20-125

Cheers

FYI - Liquid clen and T3 are not advised. You should be taking the tab versions as the liquid is usually dosed wrong and we're dealing with mcgs here NOT mgs. Too much room for error in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by cpace

FYI - Liquid clen and T3 are not advised. You should be taking the tab versions as the liquid is usually dosed wrong and we're dealing with mcgs here NOT mgs. Too much room for error in my opinion.

I appreciate the feedback I had just purchased it though and had it delivered, I really don't want to waste it ill do tabs next time for sure...
Have you any idea what might a good dose for me start with what I have?

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Originally Posted by CT

I appreciate the feedback I had just purchased it though and had it delivered, I really don't want to waste it ill do tabs next time for sure...
Have you any idea what might a good dose for me start with what I have?

50mcgs T3 and 40mcgs clen.

You need to taper on and off both of these compounds, do you know that?

None of this is going to work at all without your diet being in check.

It works like this, diet first, second and third and then cardio, training and THEN hormones and broncs.

Originally Posted by Kirk B

she starves her self her diet sucks but i can't force her to eat i tried she eats one a day she goes to the gym 2 to 3 x a week. but i can get her to take drugs
lol she only want to loose 5 to 10 lbs she weighs 145

I think she needs to straighten out her diet issues before taking anything. Drugs are not the solution here, IMHO.

Originally Posted by MDR

I think she needs to straighten out her diet issues before taking anything. Drugs are not the solution here, IMHO.

drugs fix everything don't they? thats what i was told

Originally Posted by Kirk B

drugs fix everything don't they? thats what i was told

Seems to be the way, at least according to the AMA.

Originally Posted by Kirk B

she starves her self her diet sucks but i can't force her to eat i tried she eats one a day she goes to the gym 2 to 3 x a week. but i can get her to take drugs
lol she only want to loose 5 to 10 lbs she weighs 145

I realize this is a month after the fact - however you can get her to take drugs to force her body to burn stuff she doesn't have because she's starving herself? Not maintainable and may induce her body to fight even harder to hold onto the energy sources it has left.

IMO you're a dumbass for giving her drugs and she's a bigger dumbass for expecting healthy bodyfat loss from a shitty quality starvation diet & little to no physical activity. Its not maintainable so dont' expect great things. And for god's sake dont' start playing w/ thyroid medication.

Start by cleaning up the diet and getting in "snacks" as a start to more frequent meals.

Originally Posted by Kagigi

I thought high GI foods spiked insulin and that is why it should be avoided while cutting?

Originally Posted by Built

It won't matter, not for fat loss. It might make you hungry though.

Originally Posted by CT

I think this is based on an individual basis, I know for me it is. This shouldn't be a blanket statement.

There is nothing individual about it, and it is indeed a blanket statement. While running a deficit, high or low GI foods do not impact upon fat-loss. They CAN, however, impact upon hunger. If you eat more than you require, you're going to gain weight. Thermodynamics, like gravity, is more than a good idea - it's the law.

Originally Posted by MDR

I think she needs to straighten out her diet issues before taking anything. Drugs are not the solution here, IMHO.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Richard Gears

redicule works.

Especially against those who cannot spell it.