Thread: How to get the max out of my 1st cycle?

this is your first cycle?? def. do not up your dose. would be a big mistake imo.
btw...what are your goals here? trying to make size gains? strength gains?
best thing you can do for your first cycle is make sure your diet is in check. you will get the most out of your gear that way....DON'T UP THE DOSE MY FRIEND!!

thats a hardcore first cycle bro. The only thing I would bump up would be the test. but still thats a savage first cycle.

you said it best bro...
its best to stick to test for the first cycle.
who knows where your sides are coming from.

Id stop now and start pct.

My diet and training are in check although now that I'm on cycle I'm not sure how my body will handle the extra carbs so it will be a learning experience for me. Im a former fatty therefore my mac ratio has been sitting around 40/30/30 so far while on the gear, hopefully I can get away with bumping up the carbs and lowering the fat by next week (week 4).

I should have included my goals which is to put on lean mass and strip some fat also, I'm starting to see some nice vascularity over my chest but I'm not sure if that is due to fatloss or the tren, probably both, either way I'm lovin' it.

I'm not experiencing any negative sides at all and I enjoy the dreams. I'm not aggressive at all and I know I could handle a higher dosage as all I feel is a sense of "well being".

I'll stick with this dose for a while and then see what results it brings as my only fear is wasting the gear by dosing unecessarily high.

I'd still appreciate it if a few tren lovers could chime in and let me know what dosage works best for them. Don't worry about me flipping out, it's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Would an increased dose reap better results or would it be a waste of gear?

Any tren vets out there that can give me some input?

Increasing dose isn't a waste but don't expect to double gains if you double your dose.

by EAD do you mean every other day ?

you are wasting the EQ. If you want to cut your prop use plain oil. Doesn't make sense to use the EQ. It will be fine sitting on the shelf until you can come up with enough for a decent run with the EQ. 600mg EW for 14 weeks minimum EQ.

Keep you dosage the same for this cycle. When your done evaluate your gains and then make a judgment on upping your dose.

300/400 mg tren A per week is plenty for a first run. Stacked with test you should be seeing some impressive gains.

If you still wanna up your dosage I would increase the test not the tren.

Did you buy the tren or did you make it ?

Here is the suggestion I would give to you:

Use the tren ED NOT EOD. This leads to unstable blood levels and is not in your best interest, many will say otherwise but trust me, your body will respond better, the test should also be used daily.

You don't have to increase your dose but if you think you can handle it, go for it. Just be aware that the tren sides are really going to kick in at 100mg ED. You'll know when you can't breathe. 50mg ED is pleanty for your first run.

I also agree with Roid, the EQ is a waste. Save it.

You never listed what A/I or A/P you're using. What's the PCT plan?

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

My diet and training are in check although now that I'm on cycle I'm not sure how my body will handle the extra carbs so it will be a learning experience for me. Im a former fatty therefore my mac ratio has been sitting around 40/30/30 so far while on the gear, hopefully I can get away with bumping up the carbs and lowering the fat by next week (week 4).

I should have included my goals which is to put on lean mass and strip some fat also, I'm starting to see some nice vascularity over my chest but I'm not sure if that is due to fatloss or the tren, probably both, either way I'm lovin' it.

I'm not experiencing any negative sides at all and I enjoy the dreams. I'm not aggressive at all and I know I could handle a higher dosage as all I feel is a sense of "well being".

I'll stick with this dose for a while and then see what results it brings as my only fear is wasting the gear by dosing unecessarily high.

I'd still appreciate it if a few tren lovers could chime in and let me know what dosage works best for them. Don't worry about me flipping out, it's not going to happen.

not at all worried about you flippin out bro.
i'd say tren and growth are my fav supps of all time, but thats just too much for your first cycle. you don't need anymore. your already on A LOT for a first cycle and you can make awsome gains on the dose your taking now.
i guess if i were you i wouldn't drop it since you've obviously been on it for a little while, but there's no way taking anymore is gonna do you any good right now.

Originally Posted by ROID

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by EAD do you mean every other day ?

you are wasting the EQ. If you want to cut your prop use plain oil. Doesn't make sense to use the EQ. It will be fine sitting on the shelf until you can come up with enough for a decent run with the EQ. 600mg EW for 14 weeks minimum EQ.


300/400 mg tren A per week is plenty for a first run. Stacked with test you should be seeing some impressive gains.

If you still wanna up your dosage I would increase the test not the tren.

Did you buy the tren or did you make it ?

Yes I did mean EOD.

I know I'm wasting the EQ but it is only 50mg/ml and I bought the gears and then researched later realising that I wasted my money. I had two vials that were basically good for nothing so I threw them into the mix, next time if I choose to buy EQ it will be at a much stronger mix or I won't buy it at all.

When should the physical changes start to really become apparent? I've just become a little more vascular and my muscles is starting to get that "hard" feel to them.

The tren and test were UGL and the eq was PVG.

every post above me is sub par to the advice you are about to get...

ready?




calories.



Thats how.

Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder

Here is the suggestion I would give to you:

Use the tren ED NOT EOD.

tren Ace is best used EoD, like i did on my first few cycles. It was recommended to be used that way by a NPC bber from my area.


for your own good, do research on tren ace and you will see EoD is the way it should be used. Only clowns pin it ED.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Yes I did mean EOD.

I know I'm wasting the EQ but it is only 50mg/ml and I bought the gears and then researched later realising that I wasted my money. I had two vials that were basically good for nothing so I threw them into the mix, next time if I choose to buy EQ it will be at a much stronger mix or I won't buy it at all.

When should the physical changes start to really become apparent? I've just become a little more vascular and my muscles is starting to get that "hard" feel to them.

The tren and test were UGL and the eq was PVG.

physical changes in terms of strength should come on quickly. Inside of two weeks. If the tren is legit and dosed accurately you are going to have a hugh jump in strength. The tren will kill your cardio.

Changes in terms of muscle definition, etc......that is really going to depend on what you are starting out with. I'm lean and inside of 6 weeks running tren A I have great definition and very solid look. My muscles just look dense , not sure if that makes any sense but its the only way i know how to describe it. You should be dropping a couple % in BF as well.

the only tren I have ever used is the one I convert myself and I have never been disappointed.

Not very definitive answers. Basically I'm just describing from my experience.

Tren works in a way to where you can have a low calorie diet, lose weight and not only maintain but build muscle

Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder

Here is the suggestion I would give to you:

Use the tren ED NOT EOD. This leads to unstable blood levels and is not in your best interest, many will say otherwise but trust me, your body will respond better, the test should also be used daily.

You don't have to increase your dose but if you think you can handle it, go for it. Just be aware that the tren sides are really going to kick in at 100mg ED. You'll know when you can't breathe. 50mg ED is pleanty for your first run.

I also agree with Roid, the EQ is a waste. Save it.

You never listed what A/I or A/P you're using. What's the PCT plan?

I've read that tren needs to be pinned ED and it makes perfect sense however I was pinning ED and it really fckd my leg up and I couldn't walk for 3 days let alone do a leg workout and I'm not flexable enough to safely pin in the lats. I could pin my traps but sometimes the prop turns my skin bright red and I don't want to risk it speading up to my face. I was in the frame of mind that if the sides got to be too much then I'd switch back to ED pinning but you're correct in saying that it should be pinned ED. Many get away with EOD so I'll just see how I go.

I'm also taking 50 mg proviron ED and 200mg of Vit B6 for prolactin.

I have arimadex available to purchase, aromison is on its way and I have letro and caber on hand.

PCT - I have clomid and will look into getting some HCG if needed.

I figure that I'm not on a really high dose of test so I may not need to use a strong AI.

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Only clowns pin it ED.

I prefer ED over EOD.

There is a noticeable difference for me

roid wat is the difference that u notice by pinning ed versus eod which is wat ive been doing but your pretty smart with tren stuff?i use 100mg eod, tren is really bad on your kidneys to. so u would do 100mg ed ? or 50 mg ed? thnx.

Originally Posted by unclem

roid wat is the difference that u notice by pinning ed versus eod which is wat ive been doing but your pretty smart with tren stuff?i use 100mg eod, tren is really bad on your kidneys to. so u would do 100mg ed ? or 50 mg ed? thnx.

When I run tren I always have a an acne breakout on my back that last about 2 or 3 weeks along with moderate insomnia and anxiety. I tried the EOD injects and it seemed, hell it didn't just seem, I DID have more sides. The acne was a constant battle throughout the cycle, I had a lot of "off" days in the gym. I didn't have the steady increase in strength that I was accustom to while running tren. Basically with EOD injects it felt like I was seeing results in 8 weeks that I would normally see in 4 or 5 weeks. This is just an idea in my head but I have very high metabolism and the Tren A is in and out of my body very quickly. It has a short half-life anyway but with EOD injects it just makes my blood levels fluctuate too much.

A lot of people talk about the harshness of tren on the kidneys, I don't know that I believe how severe it's claimed to be. Then again, anything that is capable of transforming someone's physique like the way tren does can't be good for you Tren is by far the most potent steroid there is. Nothing comes close.

I will never run 100mg ED again. It depends on what you are running along side of it. You cycle high doses anyway so 100mg ed would probably suit you. Hell bro, you know just as much or more than me. I would just keep my BP in check and keep a check on your bloods as well.

I wanna run tren again but I'm afraid it might screw with my concentration too much. the stuff is magic

Originally Posted by unclem

roid wat is the difference that u notice by pinning ed versus eod which is wat ive been doing but your pretty smart with tren stuff?i use 100mg eod, tren is really bad on your kidneys to. so u would do 100mg ed ? or 50 mg ed? thnx.

lol you beat me to it unclem.

I must say that I didn't experience any difference when switching to ED but I only pinned ED for 3 days and then swithed back, plus I'm not experiencing any real sides so it's difficult to tell.

Hey Roid, did you ever break out in itching skin? Two days in a row I had this terrible itch from my arse down to the bottoms of my feet. I can feel my legs hardening up and I can only put it down to my body changing.


Last night it was keeping me awake (as well as some insomnia) so I dropped an antihistamine and it knocked me out good. I woke up and the itching had completely gone and it hasn't come back since, I'm not worried at all, just curious. I googled it and people recommended taking an antihistamine and there was another thread that said it may be due to a problem with the liver!

I'm drinking as much water as I can and I'm not sweating at all therefore I'm pissing every ten minutes which is a real problem, especially when driving or in public places where there are no toilets lol.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

lol you beat me to it unclem.

I must say that I didn't experience any difference when switching to ED but I only pinned ED for 3 days and then swithed back, plus I'm not experiencing any real sides so it's difficult to tell.

Hey Roid, did you ever break out in itching skin? Two days in a row I had this terrible itch from my arse down to the bottoms of my feet. I can feel my legs hardening up and I can only put it down to my body changing.


Last night it was keeping me awake (as well as some insomnia) so I dropped an antihistamine and it knocked me out good. I woke up and the itching had completely gone and it hasn't come back since, I'm not worried at all, just curious. I googled it and people recommended taking an antihistamine and ther was another thread that said it may be due to a problem with the liver!

I'm drinking as much water as I can and I'm not sweating at all therefore I'm pissing every ten minutes which is a real problem, especially when driving or in public places where there are no toilets lol.

No, I don't recall itching.

25 to 50mg Diphenhydramine((Benadryl) should take care of both the itching and help you rest at night.

Your liver is fine.

Drinking so much water that you have to go to the rest room 2 or 3 times per hour is too much. You will flush out nutrients.

1.5 to 2 gallons of water is plenty through out a 14,15, or 16 hour day.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

tren Ace is best used EoD, like i did on my first few cycles. It was recommended to be used that way by a NPC bber from my area.


for your own good, do research on tren ace and you will see EoD is the way it should be used. Only clowns pin it ED.

If you say so.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

tren Ace is best used EoD, like i did on my first few cycles. It was recommended to be used that way by a NPC bber from my area.


for your own good, do research on tren ace and you will see EoD is the way it should be used. Only clowns pin it ED.

You can do it the way you wish, but please, don't come in a thread and tell someone what the mod suggested him do is wrong. And certainly don't call a mod a clown. Next time will be an infraction or ban instead of a warning.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

tren Ace is best used EoD, like i did on my first few cycles. It was recommended to be used that way by a NPC bber from my area.


for your own good, do research on tren ace and you will see EoD is the way it should be used. Only clowns pin it ED.

Mike please refrain from pissing off the people on here who are trying to help.Eod or ed is a matter of preference ,and no reason to call a highly respected member of these boards a clown.Oh and your other post about calories is exactly right,and from the look of your avi you could use a few.

why the hell are you using tren on first cycle!?!?!!
or for even 3 COMPOUNDS ON FIRST CYCLE!?!?! when you dont even knwo how you react to one of them or anyof them on there own?
firys cycle one compound (test) and add from there in later cycles.

also tren can be ONE OF THE HARSHIST for side effects man!

very bad first cycle.



how do you get the most out of first cycle?
research the druges before you take them ( you did nto or you wouldent have run this) and deit and trainning for years before you take aas.

Agree with what most think about tren A,not for first-time users!!!You should have go with test E or C, so you just would have to pin twice per week with the Eq.My first cycle was 500mg test E and 400mg Eq and i'm a very big guy and had pleasants results with it!But if i had to do my first one again with what i know,would go with 500mg test E and an oral kicker as D-bol at 30mg ed or Anadrol at 50mg ed,like that you're feeling something pretty fast until the test kicks in!!!

Originally Posted by blergs.

why the hell are you using tren on first cycle!?!?!!
or for even 3 COMPOUNDS ON FIRST CYCLE!?!?! when you dont even knwo how you react to one of them or anyof them on there own?
firys cycle one compound (test) and add from there in later cycles.

also tren can be ONE OF THE HARSHIST for side effects man!

very bad first cycle.



how do you get the most out of first cycle?
research the druges before you take them ( you did nto or you wouldent have run this) and deit and trainning for years before you take aas.

As a matter of fact I've researched this cycle every single day for months until I'd just about read every tren/test thread on the net. You've automatically assumed I'm some stupid kid who thinks that juice will be all I need to achieve my goals when in reality I have been training hard and eating right for years. This is the cycle I chose and I have no regrets. It hasn't been the animal that I expected it to be and I am enjoying it.

If you had read through the thread regarding my experiences with these compounds you would realise how pointless and irrelevant your post was.

druges, deit and trainning

Originally Posted by fredlabrute

Agree with what most think about tren A,not for first-time users!!!You should have go with test E or C, so you just would have to pin twice per week with the Eq.My first cycle was 500mg test E and 400mg Eq and i'm a very big guy and had pleasants results with it!But if i had to do my first one again with what i know,would go with 500mg test E and an oral kicker as D-bol at 30mg ed or Anadrol at 50mg ed,like that you're feeling something pretty fast until the test kicks in!!!

I could have gone down that road but I chose not to as I didn't want the bloat/water retention. Although I was nervous about pinning EOD at the beginning, it didn't take long to get used to it and now it doesn't bother me at all. I see guys at the gym and they are big but they have no definition at all, I don't want to look like that.

thanks for the tips gang !

Originally Posted by dg806

You can do it the way you wish, but please, don't come in a thread and tell someone what the mod suggested him do is wrong. And certainly don't call a mod a clown. Next time will be an infraction or ban instead of a warning.

you would ban someone for disagreeing with a mod? really? i'm just curious...why would you do that?

Light dose.of eq is fine imo

Good for collagen synthesis but agreed for gains useless