Thread: Thinking about first cycle...

there is a chance you may be allergic but it is very slim.

also as long as you swab the spot before you pin and swap the top of the vial if you have a large vial.

Well only you would know if your ready bro, I would say wait a bit longer. I know you may want to keep your bodyfat low but if you do a real gain style eating and training program, then do a cut you should have some new muscle mass with out using gear.

all the best.

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

there is a chance you may be allergic but it is very slim.

also as long as you swab the spot before you pin and swap the top of the vial if you have a large vial.

Well only you would know if your ready bro, I would say wait a bit longer. I know you may want to keep your bodyfat low but if you do a real gain style eating and training program, then do a cut you should have some new muscle mass with out using gear.

all the best.

True true. Thanks for the input.

I was once at 200lbs but higher bodyfat and cut back down, I think I still have room for natural improvement though.

The reason im contemplating now, is because I have a safe, reliable, local source.

Also pins, I've been told 18 to draw, 23 to pin...1"... (glutes and quads), anyone confirm this?

Also... is it best to trim down/shave hair of the spot on your quads where you would be pinning?

May get flamed for stupid idea, but just for practice, any harm in pinning yourself once first with a sterile needle by itself? Just to get form down... without injecting or aspirating anything... just to get a feel for it, and the pain, adrealine of the first pin out of the way so you know how to react.

there is a chance you may be allergic but it is very slim.

Originally Posted by Brent1990

True true. Thanks for the input.

I was once at 200lbs but higher bodyfat and cut back down, I think I still have room for natural improvement though.

The reason im contemplating now, is because I have a safe, reliable, local source.

Also pins, I've been told 18 to draw, 23 to pin...1"... (glutes and quads), anyone confirm this?

Also... is it best to trim down/shave hair of the spot on your quads where you would be pinning?

May get flamed for stupid idea, but just for practice, any harm in pinning yourself once first with a sterile needle by itself? Just to get form down... without injecting or aspirating anything... just to get a feel for it, and the pain, adrealine of the first pin out of the way so you know how to react.

Don't use 18g to draw, it will eventually destroy your rubber stopper. Draw with anything smaller (20g to 25g). switch pins and gtg! I use 1'' pins. If your a little over weight then use 1 1/2'' pins on glutes.

You do not have to shave unless you have the body hair of a gorilla...LOL.

I have heard of people gaining 30lbs on their first cycle. I gained 22lbs on my first one.

Originally Posted by Brent1990

True true. Thanks for the input.

I was once at 200lbs but higher bodyfat and cut back down, I think I still have room for natural improvement though.

The reason im contemplating now, is because I have a safe, reliable, local source.

Also pins, I've been told 18 to draw, 23 to pin...1"... (glutes and quads), anyone confirm this?

Also... is it best to trim down/shave hair of the spot on your quads where you would be pinning?

May get flamed for stupid idea, but just for practice, any harm in pinning yourself once first with a sterile needle by itself? Just to get form down... without injecting or aspirating anything... just to get a feel for it, and the pain, adrealine of the first pin out of the way so you know how to react.

First, your age is a definite factor to consider as your body will still be producing huge amounts of test naturally. But really only a blood test will be able to tell. I really dont understand why someone would want to drop $$$ to put something in their system to shut down what the body is already doing for for free.

I agree with BTB that maybe you should really go and look at a clean bulk diet through the next 4-6 months as well as change your workouts. Have a look for diet advice from BUILT and workout advice from PHINEAS and GAZ and I bet you could make great gains over the next few years naturally. Just my advice there..

Have a safe local source is a great thing, but forum sponsors like GenXXL are awesome and have great pricing and gear. They will hopefully be around in another 6-12 months after you have tried the recommended changes to your diet and workouts.

I was told by a very good source not use 18g pins to draw, but instead 21g. The 18g pins can chew up the rubber and after a few times you may end up with little rubber pieces in the gear.

If this is your first cycle, I would tell you to stick with shooting your Glutes and Delts using the 23g 1" pins.

What I did not see in your cycle was an AI or HCG. Would highly recommend you including these during your cycle as well as running your AI in your PCT.

Originally Posted by Brent1990

First Post, Great forum!:
I am entertaining the idea of a cycle in the future, just in the research stage.

Stats:
Age: 22 (I realize this may be a negative factor)
Training: 6 years natty.
Height: 5"11
Current Weight: 193lbs, 12% bodyfat

I have made great gains naturally from a starting point of 130lbs, but want to take it to the next level, as I struggle to get over 200lbs low bodyfat.

Cycle Idea:
10 weeks, 500mgs/week Test E, (250mgs each pin)
4 weeks of 25mg D-bol/day kickstart
PCT:
Nolva, Clomid, Tribulas, ZMA


*CEL cycle support throughout, with BP monitoring.
Cycle History:

One H-drol cycle at 20...low dose.


Questions/Queries:
1) Despite spot injections, videos, how-tos I am still very nervous on pinning...
Glutes, quads or both? I have a feeling ill even pass out after its all done first time
I read somewhere you can be allergic to the Ester? (like one in a million chance), and within minutes be in anaphalatic shock and die, not how I would want my family to discover me...
Am I worrying too much? Give me some comforting words!
2) Am I ready to cycle?
3) With 6 years natty and already gaining a lot of weight to my genetic potential, should I really expect excellent results?... or really only 5-10lbs gain post PCT?

Thanks for any suggestions/help. Hopefully I dont sound ignorant or unexperienced this is my first post and I am still researching.

Welcome.

Trying to get over 200lbs can easily be obtained by diet. You don't need gear yet. You might still be growing (naturally) and running AS has the possibility of stunting that. Honestly you should wait.

To answer your questions:

1. Test flu can be common, it's not a big deal. You're over thinking it.

2. No you're not ready

3. Your first cycle is usually your best, I would still wait.

You should really educate yourself by reading and asking questions. That way you'll have a better understanding of how and why things are done.

Good luck.

I have to agree with the men on here , your to young for aas, like they are saying why put something in your body when you already have it, get blood work done so you really will know, also what does your diet look like? 23g to draw and 25 to inject.. your going to do what you want anyway but i bet i could put 15lbs easy on you with a diet..

Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder

Welcome.

Trying to get over 200lbs can easily be obtained by diet. You don't need gear yet. You might still be growing (naturally) and running AS has the possibility of stunting that. Honestly you should wait.

To answer your questions:

1. Test flu can be common, it's not a big deal. You're over thinking it.

2. No you're not ready

3. Your first cycle is usually your best, I would still wait.

You should really educate yourself by reading and asking questions. That way you'll have a better understanding of how and why things are done.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by aja44

What I did not see in your cycle was an AI or HCG. Would highly recommend you including these during your cycle as well as running your AI in your PCT.

Originally Posted by letsgetbig

I have to agree with the men on here , your to young for aas, like they are saying why put something in your body when you already have it, get blood work done so you really will know, also what does your diet look like? 23g to draw and 25 to inject.. your going to do what you want anyway but i bet i could put 15lbs easy on you with a diet..

Reading and asking questions - exactly what im doing here, I definatly take all the opinions and answers very seriously, so thanks for the input.

As for AI I forgot to mention I will have it on standby during cycle, (as im only running 500mgs and heard SOME estrogen can be necessary for gains) will use through PCT.

My diet is 1.5g-1.8g protein/lb of lean bodymass, complex carbs, healthy fats. Simple carbs pre-workout and PWO. Calories/macronutrients adjusted according to goals.

Although I feel I am more prepared then my buddies who do anadrol only cycle after 2 months of working out, and drinking on the weekends...I have decided to buy up my stock now but wait until JANUARY-ish to run it, I will be 23, and gives me some time to perfect my diet/workouts.

Thanks for all the input and taking time to read, I know the "first cycle" threads are a dime a dozen on here.

cheers,

Brent

Originally Posted by Brent1990

Reading and asking questions - exactly what im doing here, I definatly take all the opinions and answers very seriously, so thanks for the input.

As for AI I forgot to mention I will have it on standby during cycle, (as im only running 500mgs and heard SOME estrogen can be necessary for gains) will use through PCT.

My diet is 1.5g-1.8g protein/lb of lean bodymass, complex carbs, healthy fats. Simple carbs pre-workout and PWO. Calories/macronutrients adjusted according to goals.

Although I feel I am more prepared then my buddies who do anadrol only cycle after 2 months of working out, and drinking on the weekends...I have decided to buy up my stock now but wait until JANUARY-ish to run it, I will be 23, and gives me some time to perfect my diet/workouts.

Thanks for all the input and taking time to read, I know the "first cycle" threads are a dime a dozen on here.

cheers,

Brent

Brent,

With regards to your diet, I would recommend you input your food for a few days into FitDay.com and post your actual macros. Would really like to see what your eating and compare the actual numbers to recommended amounts.

AI should be taken DURING cycle as well as DURING cycle. Not sure if your confusing HCG here which some do either during or post. It is recommend that you also run HCG during cycle and until the ester clears your system. That is determined by the half life of the gear your taking.

I would still recommend you wait to run gear for another year or two, but sounds like you have your heart set on it so your going to ignore that. Have your diet tight is key to all your gains. Spend the next 6 months getting it solid and you will be better off than most.