Thread: Pardon my ignorance, but first timer question....

I've never used prohormones but he is over training a little I believe.

Gear not an option ?

Originally Posted by ROID

I've never used prohormones but he is over training a little I believe.

Gear not an option ?

I could offer it to him as a possibility, but same questions would apply.

Originally Posted by alphasteel

A co-worker knows I am in the gym, and that I have some knowledge on supplements, working out and diet. He send me an email question regarding the usage of prohormones for his first time. The following is his email:

..."I have been considering using a prohormone for a bit to gain muscle mass. Have you ever used any? What do you know about them? What are the side effects? Can I just go on it for one cycle and then get off, keeping most of the gains?....."

I had him send in his personal stats, because I thought they may help. Here is what he gave me.

Age: 27
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 155lbs

Workout: 4-5 days a week. Intense 3 days, 1 day cardio, 1 day light

Eating: 5-7 meals a day. Each meal carbs, veggies, protein


Ok, with that said I want to point the kid in the right direction. I think regardless he will guy something (I already suggested that he didn't). His main concerns are growing breasts, losing any gains, and only using once cycle (he thinks he can just use it once and gain then get off). I need your guys help to give him some good info on what products are good for first timers, what he can expect, and how he should use them.

Id prefer to hear from the guys who have used them, but all comments are welcome. Thanks for your help.

prohormone are not what they used to be. The decent ones left are overly toxic or just plain suck. They have sucked since 2006. just my opinion.

Prohormones will destroy his liver,so he better destroy it with something that works!!!Btw,read the stickies on top of this page,they are very enlightening!!!
Test is the best way to go!!!

Originally Posted by fredlabrute

Prohormones will destroy his liver,so he better destroy it with something that works!!!Btw,read the stickies on top of this page,they are very enlightening!!!
Test is the best way to go!!!

You can use HDrol and not suffer any long term sides. You can use a few PHs and not suffer and sides, but you need to take precautions in order to maximize your gains and not suffer major side effects. I wont disagree with your statement that some PHs do have some potentially serious side effects, superdrol being one of the ones I will never touch again, but your statement is half-witted.

To the OP, HDrol is a fine PH with good dry gains.

As for using test, this person who's asked the question, clearly isnt ready for that kind of undertaking so to stick him into a Formula 1 race car, when he just got his driver's license is stupid.

Instead of telling someone to read stickies, either inform, or shut the fuck up so you dont sound as dumb or arrogant. I also noticed you're same doofus who recommended an overpriced sponsor on another thread.

I dont know of any prohormones that are methylated and cause serious liver damage besides "the one" which was a pro hormone to methyl dht.

superdrol, this is an oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it. just a very powerful steroid.
epistane, same as above, only more mild. but this as well is a oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it either.
hd, same as above. conversion to tbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.
m14add, same as above. conversion to dbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.

dbol=oral methylated aas.
anavar=oral methylated aas.
superdrol=oral methylated aas.
halodrol=oral methylated aas.

there are also non methylated active steroids, like furazabol thp ether. same active steroid as it's famous methylated cousin, just instead of a methyl, it has a thp ether molecule in it's place.

now, pro dienolone (tren) was a pro hormone which had some liver distress, most likely d/t it's chemical make up allowing it to be more orally available. but it's now a class 3 controlled substance.

the only down side to pro hormones is cost, and then the fact that conversion isn't a one way street, or a sure thing, which is why so much is needed.
but if you do get good conversion to the active steroid, same anabolic/androgenic effects can be a possibility as any other active steroid.

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

I dont know of any prohormones that are methylated and cause serious liver damage besides "the one" which was a pro hormone to methyl dht.

superdrol, this is an oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it. just a very powerful steroid.
epistane, same as above, only more mild. but this as well is a oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it either.
hd, same as above. conversion to tbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.
m14add, same as above. conversion to dbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.

dbol=oral methylated aas.
anavar=oral methylated aas.
superdrol=oral methylated aas.
halodrol=oral methylated aas.

there are also non methylated active steroids, like furazabol thp ether. same active steroid as it's famous methylated cousin, just instead of a methyl, it has a thp ether molecule in it's place.

now, pro dienolone (tren) was a pro hormone which had some liver distress, most likely d/t it's chemical make up allowing it to be more orally available. but it's now a class 3 controlled substance.

the only down side to pro hormones is cost, and then the fact that conversion isn't a one way street, or a sure thing, which is why so much is needed.
but if you do get good conversion to the active steroid, same anabolic/androgenic effects can be a possibility as any other active steroid.

Good post.

First its very, very hard to over train a muscle, if you hit that muscle once a week its only 4 times a month, twice a week wow 8 times a month, no way is that even close to over training, second 99% of the time people who use ph are looking for that magic pill to get big, no diet and so forth, also these same people 99% of the time lose everything after they stop taking the ph. so if it were me i would ask him to write his diet down, w/o regime and start from there. And when he says 5 to seven meals more then likely 5..and protein drinks are not taken in place of real food so its not called a meal..

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

I dont know of any prohormones that are methylated and cause serious liver damage besides "the one" which was a pro hormone to methyl dht.

superdrol, this is an oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it. just a very powerful steroid.
epistane, same as above, only more mild. but this as well is a oral methylated aas. nothing pro about it either.
hd, same as above. conversion to tbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.
m14add, same as above. conversion to dbol is minimal, effects are from the compound.

dbol=oral methylated aas.
anavar=oral methylated aas.
superdrol=oral methylated aas.
halodrol=oral methylated aas.

there are also non methylated active steroids, like furazabol thp ether. same active steroid as it's famous methylated cousin, just instead of a methyl, it has a thp ether molecule in it's place.

now, pro dienolone (tren) was a pro hormone which had some liver distress, most likely d/t it's chemical make up allowing it to be more orally available. but it's now a class 3 controlled substance.

the only down side to pro hormones is cost, and then the fact that conversion isn't a one way street, or a sure thing, which is why so much is needed.
but if you do get good conversion to the active steroid, same anabolic/androgenic effects can be a possibility as any other active steroid.

Solid post

I'm assuming hIs mind is made up that case best advice u can give him is take his time join couple of forums read as many logs as possible on the above compounds and let him make an informed decision. Preparation is the key to success and imo you can never be overprepared.

Biggest pitfall is loosing gains from oral only cycles sub enough logs he will figure out why and how to avoid from training,diet and PCT. Need to study others successes and failures to

Hey everyone, great posts. I really appreciated the info and suggestions. Like I said I told him to stick to the staple supplements and eat right...but he is young and stubborn. Thanks again everyone, I'll pass along this to him...

Have him post his diet and training. I figure it needs to be tweaked for him to see better gains.

Originally Posted by ROID

I've never used prohormones but he is over training a little I believe.

Gear not an option ?

I believe Roid is overtraining his mouth. Less talking and more sucking dg806's dick