Thread: My Ultra Lean Bulk cycle

Hey forum, I know this isn't the thread to post this question or suggestion but I wanted to get a good response. Is there a thread dedicated to us "big guys"? Concerning weight trainning, aas, weight loss or gain issues, etc? I truly dont intend to offend anyone, but sometimes advice given to a guy 5 foot something 100 pounds whatever does me no good, or advice from someone in those perimeters. Big guys should receive advice and give advice to other big guys. Its not about causing an issue, just making situations more relatible. I'm 6'4" and 260+, and I think advice or concerns from guys similiar in size or larger would be more helpful. What are everyones opinions on that?

Originally Posted by midwest216

Hey forum, I know this isn't the thread to post this question or suggestion but ?

Ummmmmmm.... Sure, but could you try not to hi-jack my GD thread?

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I'm going to be running a very lean bulk starting in October. I'm in HRT cruise now and cutting pretty good. I'm approximately 16% BF now and plan to be 10-12% before starting this cycle. Anyway, I'll be laying out my laying out cycle... Please take a look and let know if you see anything like supps or ancillaries I should add...

1-12 600mg Test C or E
1-10 300mg Deca
1-4 40-50mg/ED t-Bol
9-12 40-50mg/ED T-Bol
1-12 Proviron (dose ???)
1-12 Aromasin 8-25mg (tweaked as needed)

That's fine. Proviron at 50mg ED. Why T-bol?

Where is the caber or prami?

Proviron 50mg ED. Run the AI starting day one until your PCT is over, don't stop on week 12. And I would ditch the tbol and bump the deca up another 100gr EW. IMHO.



/V

CT...

I guess prami or caber is a must? I thought about T-Bol because I've heard the results are similar to D-Bol but the sides are less... Particularly water retention & bloat. I could drop it.

Victor...

I actually just wanted the deca mainly for joint comfort, but I'm thinking of upping to 400mg. I was thinking the proviron would help with SHBG and contribute with AI too. I'm on HRT so I'm always on aromasin. Do I really need PCT? Also... Could I maybe lower the aromasin dose as well?

Thanks for the input, guys... Good stuff

Originally Posted by Buzzard

CT...

I guess prami or caber is a must? I thought about T-Bol because I've heard the results are similar to D-Bol but the sides are less... Particularly water retention & bloat. I could drop it.

Victor...

I actually just wanted the deca mainly for joint comfort, but I'm thinking of upping to 400mg. I was thinking the proviron would help with SHBG and contribute with AI too. I'm on HRT so I'm always on aromasin. Do I really need PCT? Also... Could I maybe lower the aromasin dose as well?

Thanks for the input, guys... Good stuff

Yes, it's a must. I would use dbol or anadrol, better bang for the buck, but that's just me. No you will never need PCT. Aromasin doses are user dependent, no one dose is the same for everyone.

Originally Posted by CT

Yes, it's a must. I would use dbol or anadrol, better bang for the buck, but that's just me. No you will never need PCT. Aromasin doses are user dependent, no one dose is the same for everyone.

Understood on the aromasin. What meant was, since adding proviron into the mix, can we figure that the aromasin could be lower? I was dosing 12.5mg/ED while on 500mg T. Now at 200, I'm doing EOD of the same dose... I really should have had labwork before ending my last cycle. I plan on getting T,Total T,E2 and SHBG levels tested prior to commencing this next cycle.

What would the caber/prami dose be and would you prefer one over the other?

Thanks Thunder...

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I'm going to be running a very lean bulk starting in October. I'm in HRT cruise now and cutting pretty good. I'm approximately 16% BF now and plan to be 10-12% before starting this cycle. Anyway, I'll be laying out my laying out cycle... Please take a look and let know if you see anything like supps or ancillaries I should add...

1-12 600mg Test C or E
1-10 300mg Deca
1-4 40-50mg/ED t-Bol
9-12 40-50mg/ED T-Bol
1-12 Proviron (dose ???)
1-12 Aromasin 8-25mg (tweaked as needed)

Jesus christ nothing about this says "ultra lean". Youre running a long esterd test, Dbol, and deca.

maybe you should rethink this cycle if you want "ultra lean"

Test Prop, Tren, Anavar. = Lean win.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Jesus christ nothing about this says "ultra lean". Youre running a long esterd test, Dbol, and deca.

maybe you should rethink this cycle if you want "ultra lean"

Test Prop, Tren, Anavar. = Lean win.

The key word you missed was BULK. I'm not using D-Bol. I said T-Bol, but I'm probably going to drop it.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

The key word you missed was BULK. I'm not using D-Bol. I said T-Bol, but I'm probably going to drop it.

Yeah, I noticed the word bulk, thank you for pointing that out But your bulk is going to be everything but "ultra lean" Even with your AI, youre gains will be bloaty. As I said, go with a short ester test, change deca for EQ or Tren, and then you will have yourself a LEAN bulk

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Yeah, I noticed the word bulk, thank you for pointing that out But your bulk is going to be everything but "ultra lean" Even with your AI, youre gains will be bloaty. As I said, go with a short ester test, change deca for EQ or Tren, and then you will have yourself a LEAN bulk

I appreciate your concern and I understand there are better compounds for my ultimate goal. At this point, however, there are reasons to not use those compounds and to stick with the compounds I've chosen.

For example... I'm not really into pinning EFD at this point and the deca was added mainly for joint comfort.

Again... Thanks for your input.

GYCH!

mikee, you got a piss poor atitude, hes asking for help and you get angry at him. why bother offering a post if all hes asking for in a nice way is if hes doing it right. wtf. i said it before u got good things to offer but a bad atitude. if it irratates you then skip the thread and move on. its not the poor guys fault that your having a bad day.put the shoe on the other foot if it was you asking for advice and somebody gave u a bad time how would u feel? think about it then blast me.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Jesus christ nothing about this says "ultra lean". Youre running a long esterd test, Dbol, and deca.

maybe you should rethink this cycle if you want "ultra lean"

Test Prop, Tren, Anavar. = Lean win.

DIET will determine everything, not what gear he is using. That cycle you have proposed is a cutter. The only thing that isn't lean about it is the water retention, NOTHING ELSE.

Originally Posted by Mike09100

Yeah, I noticed the word bulk, thank you for pointing that out But your bulk is going to be everything but "ultra lean" Even with your AI, youre gains will be bloaty. As I said, go with a short ester test, change deca for EQ or Tren, and then you will have yourself a LEAN bulk

Mike90210 - You have a lot to learn. Deca is BY FAR a superior bulking compound as compared to any thing else you've listed. Why did you not mention NPP as a replacement to the deca for the water weight?

You continue to have an attitude, please we are trying to help one another. If you don't like something someone posted there is a better way to go about it.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Understood on the aromasin. What meant was, since adding proviron into the mix, can we figure that the aromasin could be lower? I was dosing 12.5mg/ED while on 500mg T. Now at 200, I'm doing EOD of the same dose... I really should have had labwork before ending my last cycle. I plan on getting T,Total T,E2 and SHBG levels tested prior to commencing this next cycle.

What would the caber/prami dose be and would you prefer one over the other?

Thanks Thunder...

Back to topic......................................

I like caber myself .5mg EOD to E3D would be fine for what you're using. Be sure to run it 2-3 weeks after stopping the deca as the half life is very long.

Parmi will increase natural GH but the sides were too much for me and I didn't really care that much for it, it works but the sides weren't the best.

^^^ ok i get it now, CT= the old choc thunder good, much easier CT lol.

Originally Posted by unclem

^^^ ok i get it now, CT= the old choc thunder good, much easier CT lol.

Shit! i didn't know that...what up choc?





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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Shit! i didn't know that...what up choc?





/V

Hey man! I thought you were going on vacation?

Originally Posted by CT

Back to topic......................................

I like caber myself .5mg EOD to E3D would be fine for what you're using. Be sure to run it 2-3 weeks after stopping the deca as the half life is very long.

Parmi will increase natural GH but the sides were too much for me and I didn't really care that much for it, it works but the sides weren't the best.

I appreciate it... Thanks

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Shit! i didn't know that...what up choc?





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Lol... Yeah... Took me a while too.

BUMP...

I have a coupla more Q's about my cycle. It's just about nut-cuttin time so I wanna dial this in.

1) Does adding T3 make any sense in a bulk?

2) Calories... I'm currently at a decent deficit. How much should I bump cals/protein/carbs?

Hopefully Built can chime in on this one.

Originally Posted by CT

DIET will determine everything, not what gear he is using. That cycle you have proposed is a cutter. The only thing that isn't lean about it is the water retention, NOTHING ELSE.

Exactly ^^^

Originally Posted by Buzzard

BUMP...

I have a coupla more Q's about my cycle. It's just about nut-cuttin time so I wanna dial this in.

1) Does adding T3 make any sense in a bulk?

2) Calories... I'm currently at a decent deficit. How much should I bump cals/protein/carbs?

Hopefully Built can chime in on this one.

Yup 50mcg's T3 daily.

To bulk I would go over maint cals between 200-500 daily.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

BUMP...

I have a coupla more Q's about my cycle. It's just about nut-cuttin time so I wanna dial this in.

1) Does adding T3 make any sense in a bulk?

2) Calories... I'm currently at a decent deficit. How much should I bump cals/protein/carbs?

Hopefully Built can chime in on this one.

When I bulk hardcore, I will go 1,000+ calories over maintenance. I will also run 50mcg T3 ED, like said above, to stave off any fat from an excess of calories that high.