What's the Test E dose? I'll assume 500mg/week.
I'd suggest running the Stane from jump street. Why wait for gyno to start? Use the letro for gyno symptoms.
I'd also suggest hCG. Shouldn't be that hard to find.

OK. So ordered some research chems yesterday. Fingers crossed I get them! Ordered liquid clomid, letro and liquid stane.
I plan on a 12 week cycle test enanthate. First cycle. Please people tell me if this sounds right...
I wont run the liquid stane unless I start getting water retention or getting early symptoms of gyno, itchy nips etc. If either of these starts then I start to run the stane. What dosage do I run at initially to get it under control then how do I take it for the rest of the cycle? Went for the stane as I had read alot of people recommend it over liquid dex.
Also if after 3-5 days the gyno still seems outta control, how do I dose the letro to really knock the estrogen down? And do I then drop the stane and stay on letro or is the letro just to kick the gyno in the nuts so to speak?
Not sure how to balance the two?
So on the 14th day after my last test pin I will start to dose with liquid clomid. Seeing as it is 35mg/ml I will run it like this :
70/70/70/35
so 2ml per day over two doses (morning and night) for three weeks. Fourth week I drop it to 1ml per day in the AM?
Is this all I should need for my first cycle? I just really want to be prepared. I couldnt get HGC unfortunately so clomid will have to do.
Also if I start getting bad sides from clomid what then? should I have Nolvadex on hand to switch to?
Being a single test only and first cycle of 12 weeks I am hoping to get good gains with not too many bad sides.....like severly shrunk balls. As long as they come back within a month or so I am happy!
Sorry for the long questions guys but would appreciate your help!


What's the Test E dose? I'll assume 500mg/week.
I'd suggest running the Stane from jump street. Why wait for gyno to start? Use the letro for gyno symptoms.
I'd also suggest hCG. Shouldn't be that hard to find.
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Thanks Buzzard. Yeh I will be running 500mg per week test.
Ok will plan to run AI from start to finish. Is HGC essential or a nice to have?
I know it will prevent ball shrinkage during the cycle but will they come back after the cycle with the clomid for pct?
I will keep looking but and delay my cycle until I find it if it is essential.
500mg testo a week is great

Yeh I am pretty excited to see the results. Will be aiming for min 4000 calories a day, with protein 200-300 gms/day.
Rest made up obviously with carbs and healthy fats. If I can aim for 40-50gms protein and 60gms carbs every meal should be sweet.
4 days a week workouts. Workout designed around all the major compounds, squats, deads, pullups, mil presses, dips, barbell rows, curls, benches.
Going to squat twice a week to bring up my chicken legs. Will be interesting to see how much I can add to my lifts.
Will have to keep a detailed log...they always seem to get started but never finished which is dissapointing.
if your gear is good and real. be ready for 10-15kg
Run the aromaisn from day one, NOT WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. Start at 12.5mg ED, if you need more you'll know it. By doing it this way you won't need the letro. Run it until the end of your PCT.
The clomid is fine.
You REALLY should get some HCG. If you got everything else don't be lazy by ending your search for the HCG. You can find it, keep looking. It will save you BIG time.


You'r ai should start from day one. The reason why HCG is so important is as you had stated it stops your testes from shrinkage and helps you to keep producing a small amount of natural test while on. If you can keep your nuts going so to speak it makes for a much easier and faster recovery during PCT. You'r cycle is fairly light which is good since you are new and I commend you on that. You should get very good gains from 500mgs per wk. The clomid dose you mentioned is ok and I understand it would be hard to dose exactly as my reccomendations with liquid. But what a lot of guys do is 100mgs wk 1, then 50, 50, 50. 4 weeks total. Most keep nolvadex on hand but rarely need to use it if your ai is correct. If your ai isnt correct you can always adjust it on the fly. Since you are on a test only cycle if by some chance you start getting puffy or sore nips(itchy) you can start on some nolva until you get that issue straightened out.

Ok roadking so 100mg for first week then 50 for three weeks after. 100mg will be just under 3mls I suppose.
Will taking 12.5mg ED not impact on the potential gains? Is this what most people do. I really dont want gyno or bloat but also dont want to impact too much on potential gains.


Personally I use arimadex at .5mgs EOD but I understand your situation being you are in australia. Aromasin will work fine and yes most people use 12.5 mgs per day but some up it to 25mgs per day. Adex has a longer half life and thats why a person can dose it EOD whereas aramasin has to be taken daily. Dont worry about the gains being effected in my opinion this is minimal if at all. I have always used pharm grade products and have not tried the liquids for me it seems safer knowing they came from a pharmacy and are not research chemicals even though a lot of my pals say they are just fine. The whole idea is to keep your estrogen down to a managable level so you dont end up with bloat and possible gyno symptoms. The HCG just keeps your nuts normal and as I said makes PCT that much easier. If your clomid is 35mgs per ml just go a little bit over 1ml and you'll have 50. It should be easy enough to figure out how to dose it.

Thanks roadking. Yeh the dosing will be easy enough to figure out. A little worried about your doubt of the research chems though....jeez I hope they are legit, lots people seem to rave about them. Hmmm maybe I should try order some pharmacy tabs.....thoughts people?


Dont freak about the research chem's. It's just a preferance of mine to use tabs pharm grade. A lot of the guys I know In BB use the research stuff and I know for you it's a lot easier to get ahold of. Wherever you got your test should have tabs though if you care to check into it. It's way easier to dose and take orally. We need to get you some rep points my friend. When you tried to rep me it came back as zero because it's automatically generated by how long you have been around and how many points you have. Thank you very much for the try though and I will be around. You can always do that later. I enjoy helping people and it's not a problem.

Thanks roadking. This time round I will use the research chems as I have already placed my order and see how they go. Yeh tried to do the right thing with the rep but hey I tried! cheers
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