Thread: Suggest for my first cycle??

Originally Posted by sar012977

Through some suggestions and reading i see this may be a good cycle for me as i am beginner and this is my first time/cyle...

I am looking to gain a lil size but also make sure its a lean gain and not much water... will this also help prevent gyno as well.. all suggestions are helpful... thanks guys!


Cycle length and layout:
Length 8 weeks
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Test Prop every other day.
Weeks 3-8 40 mg GP Stan 10 per day.
Weeks 1-8 GP Anastrozole .5 mg per day (continued for at least 10 days after cycle.)

1ML TEST ON DAY ONE AND EVERYOTHER DAY THERE AFTER FOR 8 WEEKS
BEGIN OF 3RD WEEK--4 GP STAN10 BEFORE WORKOUT, EVERYDAY FOR NEXT 6 WEEKS
1/2 GP ANASTROZOLE --DAY 1 THROUGH OUT WHOLE CYCLE AND 10 DAYS AFTER LAST INJ

What's your training history like? How much BF do you carry? How old are you?

CT, I been training for about 2 years... 18% body fat.... train 5-6 days a week.. 34 years old and can tell it.. LOL... test levels have dropped big time.. not like when i was young and dumb....

Honestly, I would try and drop some BF before cycling. Your gains will be a combination of fat and muscle and from your original post that's not what you're after.

You might want to see and endo. or a urologist in regards to your test levels. You might need TRT. If not you can at least see where you are before you ever touched AAS.

If your looking to gain from this cycle I would run 200mg of GP Test a week for 12 weeks. An oral is not need in your situation.

I'd do test e 300-500mg for 8 weeks no oral, pinning that much first cycle with prop is going to suck. Prop is a painful injection also. Take an AI to keep water down. The rest of water drops off a few weeks after cycle ends, no worries. Do pct research. Eat really clean, you'll lose fat and gain muscle.

Originally Posted by muscleguys

I'd do test e 300-500mg for 8 weeks no oral, pinning that much first cycle with prop is going to suck. Prop is a painful injection also. Take an AI to keep water down. The rest of water drops off a few weeks after cycle ends, no worries. Do pct research. Eat really clean, you'll lose fat and gain muscle.

This is solid advice. I'd opt for the gp test e. I can tell you from experience it's smooth and painless. Prop has a bite, and you will not like pinning eod for your first cycle.

Since your bf is kinda high you should keep in mind that the more fat you have to more aromatization you will experience. Definitely run and ai throughout. Aromasin 12.5 ed or eod should do the trick.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Originally Posted by CT

Honestly, I would try and drop some BF before cycling. Your gains will be a combination of fat and muscle and from your original post that's not what you're after.

You might want to see and endo. or a urologist in regards to your test levels. You might need TRT. If not you can at least see where you are before you ever touched AAS.

I would have to agree with this ^^ BUT, you probably won't listen, so I would recommend test e ONLY at 500mg EW for 10 weeks. It's gonna take 4-5 weeks before you start noticing anything, especially with your BF% so high..seems silly to end it at 8 weeks. I would also agree, keep your diet "extra clean" to get that BF% down. Just my 2 cents. Good Luk

I hope no one minds me cutting into the thread, but I'm also looking to do my first cycle ever and need similar advice. I'm 26 years old, 190 lbs, and 13-15% BF (haven't done a precise measurement recently).

I had been working out only sporadically during the summer because of work stress and a difficult move across the country. I'm all set up now and am focused on getting my diet and workout routine back in gear. I've dropped 6 lbs in the past week and feel like I may have even added some lean muscle mass (a credit to my incredibly poor diet over the past 3 months).

My plan is to keep my diet clean, continue my routine, and wait for the point where I hit a plateau in my gains, then start my cycle (so maybe by early October).

I'd be happy with modest gains with minimum side effects (I mainly just want to drop the fat to gain some definition), so I was leaning towards just taking lftheavy's advice of test e only @ 500mg for 10 weeks. Any advice is welcome. Haven't stuck a syringe in my gluts before so this will be an interesting experience...

hit the cardio, drop some BF. I reckon 15% min, others say 12-13%.

you're cycle looks fine btw, for your goals. You may find the stan dries your joints out a bit. Look into glucosanime and cissus

Originally Posted by lifthvy

I would have to agree with this ^^ BUT, you probably won't listen, so I would recommend test e ONLY at 500mg EW for 10 weeks. It's gonna take 4-5 weeks before you start noticing anything, especially with your BF% so high..seems silly to end it at 8 weeks. I would also agree, keep your diet "extra clean" to get that BF% down. Just my 2 cents. Good Luk

^Exactly as stated.

I basically did a cycle at your same BF% and got pretty damned good results (see my sig) but I did a 3 week rotation of Bulk/Cut. I ended up having to cut it short at 8 weeks due to an underfilled vial, but it still went well, although I definately recommend at least 10 weeks, possibly 12. I didnt really start recomping heavily till about week 5, and then it was fast changes from there, and I had to stop right in the middle of it.

Originally Posted by muscleguys

I'd do test e 300-500mg for 8 weeks no oral, pinning that much first cycle with prop is going to suck. Prop is a painful injection also. Take an AI to keep water down. The rest of water drops off a few weeks after cycle ends, no worries. Do pct research. Eat really clean, you'll lose fat and gain muscle.

imo...muscleguy is right. using all that prop is gonna be a pain in the ass...literally. probably not the best idea for a first cycle.
no doubt...this is a good cycle. excellent maybe for a 2nd or 3rd cycle, but most people (myself included during my 1st cycle) need some time to get used to the injections.
i think you should use either enanthate or cyp...maybe some sust. something you only have to inject twice a week for your injectable. if you are worried about water retention use your adex during the cycle and you should be ok. sure you'll retain some water, but it wont be horrible.
as for the rest of the cycle, it looks ok to me.
good luck.

All good coments. I would agree that prop for a first cycle will be tough on you. The cyp or E would be a better choice 2x per wk. Like mon-thurs schedule. You have to run a ai from day one and I didnt see where you mentioned HCG either during or after. It's best to use it during your cycle. Start week 2 and do it 2x per wk from then on and right up until day before your PCT begins. My opinion on the oral stan is you will see little if any results for two reasons. You'r BF% is to high and your dose is to low. It's a finishing compound and works best for those with low BF%. Some like it the last 6 wks of a cycle to harden up a bit but as was mentioned you will get sore joints. If you already have the prop, cool go for it but if not check into cyp or E and you can thank me later for the much less pinning. I have been doing this for a long time and I dont like pinning all the time.

Agreed. Get that BF% down. Don't want any of that gyno!!

Guys, thanks to all for all the great advice and feedback.. i am gonna take a lil from each of you and use.... Ecspecially on the BF%... I am gonna rip out the cardio and get it down a lil more before i start my cycle... But thanks to eveyone for jumpin in and givn me the advise.. seems that everyone is agrees with one another and it makes it much easier to hear people agreeing than arguing who is right ad whos wrong!! Will keep you posted.. thanks again! very helpful info!

Originally Posted by jmorrison

^Exactly as stated.

I basically did a cycle at your same BF% and got pretty damned good results (see my sig) but I did a 3 week rotation of Bulk/Cut. I ended up having to cut it short at 8 weeks due to an underfilled vial, but it still went well, although I definately recommend at least 10 weeks, possibly 12. I didnt really start recomping heavily till about week 5, and then it was fast changes from there, and I had to stop right in the middle of it.

@ jmorrison, you say bulk/cut split. can you explain how you did that please, thanks!

Sure, I work on an oil rig for 3 weeks, and then I am home for 3 weeks. So for the 3 weeks I am home I go into a caloric surplus and lift like crazy, and when I am on the rig I diet hard (usually PSMF). I just cycle this back and forth. I don't know if it is a great way to do things, but it suits my lifestyle.

Originally Posted by jmorrison

Sure, I work on an oil rig for 3 weeks, and then I am home for 3 weeks. So for the 3 weeks I am home I go into a caloric surplus and lift like crazy, and when I am on the rig I diet hard (usually PSMF). I just cycle this back and forth. I don't know if it is a great way to do things, but it suits my lifestyle.

I think this is a fkg awesome way to do it . . refeeds during the PSMF keep your gains and partial sanity . . and of course, Gears

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

I think this is a fkg awesome way to do it . . refeeds during the PSMF keep your gains and partial sanity . . and of course, Gears

I agree. I have done bulks similar to this before.

I do 2-3 weeks with high calorie surplus and then 1 week with a pretty decent surplus.

Originally Posted by sar012977

Through some suggestions and reading i see this may be a good cycle for me as i am beginner and this is my first time/cyle...

I am looking to gain a lil size but also make sure its a lean gain and not much water... will this also help prevent gyno as well.. all suggestions are helpful... thanks guys!


Cycle length and layout:
Length 8 weeks
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Test Prop every other day.
Weeks 3-8 40 mg GP Stan 10 per day.
Weeks 1-8 GP Anastrozole .5 mg per day (continued for at least 10 days after cycle.)

1ML TEST ON DAY ONE AND EVERYOTHER DAY THERE AFTER FOR 8 WEEKS
BEGIN OF 3RD WEEK--4 GP STAN10 BEFORE WORKOUT, EVERYDAY FOR NEXT 6 WEEKS
1/2 GP ANASTROZOLE --DAY 1 THROUGH OUT WHOLE CYCLE AND 10 DAYS AFTER LAST INJ

The leanest and hardest gains I get is when I toss in GP tren ace. But these guys are giving you great advice.

Ok, Here is A tweaked cycle with a little input used from everyone's opinion, which is very appreciated:

LENGTH--12 WEEKS
WEEKS 1-12--500 MG GP TEST E (MONDAY/THURS SPLIT)
WEEKS 1-12-- AROMASIN 12.5 ED THROUGHOUT AND 10 DAYS AFTER LAST INJ.
WEEKS 11-14--CLOMID 50 MG ED WEEK 11 THROUGH 14

I also have another question concerning something to aid in water retention and aind also to accerlerate fat loss.... Is there any thing that i can do to aid in fat loss? Can i include clen in my cycle or wait till after i am done with my cycle? I will be cutting out sodium as much as possible and busting my ass on cardio 4-5 days a week (running, biking and interval triaing in am)? I will be weight training atleast 5-6 days a week for atleast an 1 hr a day.... Any feedback on the new cycle or training will be appreciated also.. thanks bros!

Also going to try and get my bf % down as low as i can before i start and that will give me enough time to get my gear also... Going to try Genxx or Naps.. Its my firsttime so lil nervous making the order but gonna try it and see where it goes.... can i get some help to make sure i order enough gear also... if anyone minds, i just wanna make sure i get enough to last the whole cycle so i dont run out...