Thread: BF% and Steroids

cycle goals?... at least

Aromatase resides in adipose tissue. The fatter you are, the more aromatase you have - and hence, the more estrogen your body will make.

How fat is too fat, now that's a good question. It varies tremendously. I know guys who run gear at close to 20% and they're fine. I know others who go down to about 12% like you're planning. Personally, I think this is wise anyway, since you will partition better a little leaner. (Note, that if you diet down very lean, then start bulking, you WON'T partition well. Dieted-down lean folks should ease into bulking).

My .02

Goals of first cycle would be to put on between 5-10 kgs of lean mass whilst maintaining current BF% or even dropping a little.

I know under normal conditions this is practically impossible during a bulk. I just do not want to go any higher on BF%.

Built, so you are suggesting it is not a good idea for me to drop a few BF%'s then go onto a subtle bulk on test?

Any thoughts or personal experiences?

Cheers

This could be achievable with a UDII programme

Just drop the BF first.

^^^ what built said, and you will also put on water weight and maybe bloat a little, so you will look fatter also.

Hmmm thinking I will drop the BF% then. I am aiming for around a 1% drop a week. Is this doable or wishful thinking. I will reduce cals and carbs a little and add in some HIIT.

Also whats a UDII program captain...?

Looking forward to dropping BF% actually...cheers for the advice

Yup, more aromatization to estrogen so make sure you use an aromatase inhibitior.

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Lyle McDonald has good diet systems!

I did his PSMF a while back with great success!

get down as much as possible on bf then if its 13-15 youll be ok with using gear but just take a inhibitor while on gear because like pyes said youll get some water weight, no salts or sugars or not that much during cycle. are you competing? if so when?

Thanks unclem. No not competing....years away from that! I have stane on order for AI as well as some letro as a back up. I just dont want to get any fatter while on the gear. I am leaning towards delaying my cycle another 3-6 months to get a little more prepared...

as a side note if i were to do a cycle of test enanthate and be on a calorie restricted diet rather than a bulking style diet will the test aid in 'cutting'. I suppose it can prevent catabolism? Curious if test can be used to cut?

Before jumping onto the gear, I would suggest you look at your diet first. Cut out the nonessential crap that has rewarded you with the flubber.. Nice of that crap food for doing that to us wasn't it" (I feel you pin.. been there and currently working myself back from it also)
Concentrate more on unprocessed foods. Try the change in the diet for a few weeks but don't get discouraged when in a couple weeks you stall a little.. Most the first weight will be all water.. from there your working on the fat.

Once you see you can handle the diet.. Then start up the gear supplement with Aromatase inhibitors like a-dex or or even letrozole.

I don't think it's wise to jump straight onto the gear without first getting the diet in order or otherwise you just may wind up adding more fat

I totally agree basskiller. I wont start any cycle until I have everything else spot on and this is the reason I may delay this cycle for 3-6 months.

HRT and Metabolic Dr's will put you right on it even with BF% of 35. They will put you on T3 or phentermine and you have to have the anabolics to keep from wasting all your muscle. If your muscle wasting is severe enough 1-1.5lbs/week they will even put you on DECA, Winny, Anavar and a 600-700 mg of Test per week! They will also prescribe the ancillaries to deal with the estrogen problems. I think about 99% of the people doing more than 500mg of test or any other aromatizing steroid has to deal with this as well. Test and other anabolics actually help to mobilize fats and prevent fats from collecting at the receptors. I dont know where everybody gets the Idea you have to be below a certain BF% to do a cycle? Your metabolism speeds up, you get more motivated, more energy, better self esteem ect..

Originally Posted by 1mudman

HRT and Metabolic Dr's will put you right on it even with BF% of 35. They will put you on T3 or phentermine and you have to have the anabolics to keep from wasting all your muscle. If your muscle wasting is severe enough 1-1.5lbs/week they will even put you on DECA, Winny, Anavar and a 600-700 mg of Test per week! They will also prescribe the ancillaries to deal with the estrogen problems. I think about 99% of the people doing more than 500mg of test or any other aromatizing steroid has to deal with this as well. Test and other anabolics actually help to mobilize fats and prevent fats from collecting at the receptors. I dont know where everybody gets the Idea you have to be below a certain BF% to do a cycle? Your metabolism speeds up, you get more motivated, more energy, better self esteem ect..

Because you won't partition as well if you're fat, and because you'll have to take more drugs to prevent aromatization. HRT, you don't care how long it takes because you'll always be "on". For guys on cycle, they probably want to maximize their gains for the time they're "on".

That would be my guess, anyway.