Thread: Winter & Spring Cycle Help

For your goal why don't you just run a long estered test and get your diet in line. Along with cardio and metabolic training you should easily reach your desired BF% in a few months.

You really don't need to run any of that other stuff unless you want to use the NPP for joint relief.

If you were ready to compete back in 2002, why hire a personal trainer?

Been out of gym since 2005 and have not lifted or done shit due to surgeries. I became a lazy piece of shit and wanted the motivation to get back into the groove again. Not needing his experience but also needed it since I was use to a completely different type of working out.

I have a COMPLETE SHOULDER REPLACEMENT so this restricts what I can or can not do!! Did not know the other side of working out besides getting huge and then leaning out for shows.

Thanks for input but gear can't go to waste.

Originally Posted by BigRed73

Been out of gym since 2005 and have not lifted or done shit due to surgeries. I became a lazy piece of shit and wanted the motivation to get back into the groove again. Not needing his experience but also needed it since I was use to a completely different type of working out.

I have a COMPLETE SHOULDER REPLACEMENT so this restricts what I can or can not do!! Did not know the other side of working out besides getting huge and then leaning out for shows.

Thanks for input but gear can't go to waste.

You're going to waste it by using it right now. You're not lean enough to reap the benefits that most of those compounds are used for. Plus, you don't have enough of them to put together a decent cycle.

Once you get down to 10% THEN you can start adding.

When I was a fatty I did the same thing you're trying to do, use a bunch of different AAS and see what happens, I saw what happened alright....I wasted a lot of gear and money and looked almost the same.


You could start the T3 at 50mcgs ED but I would wait until you plateau, or unless you're going to run the GH, then you'll need the T3. How long do you plan on running the GH?

Originally Posted by CT

You're going to waste it by using it right now. You're not lean enough to reap the benefits that most of those compounds are used for. Plus, you don't have enough of them to put together a decent cycle.

Once you get down to 10% THEN you can start adding.

When I was a fatty I did the same thing you're trying to do, use a bunch of different AAS and see what happens, I saw what happened alright....I wasted a lot of gear and money and looked almost the same.


You could start the T3 at 50mcgs ED but I would wait until you plateau, or unless you're going to run the GH, then you'll need the T3. How long do you plan on running the GH?

I'm currently on a low dose of the following and have been back in the gym for 3 months: 100mg Tren A & 100mg Test Prop EOD, 125mg Test E twice per week along with 100mcg T3 and clen (3 weeks on/off). I started at 14.9% and over the 3 months went done to 11%. Will be done with small cycle end of month. Then break for fall then do winter, so by winter I will be below or at 10% fo sure.

I plan to run growth all year long w/ monotoring from a physician (anti-aging specialists) at 4 to 6 iu's day (5 on/2 off). So with that said you stated I did not have enough gear for a good cycle. Wow I thought I had plenty of gear for a good cycle.

Please tell me what I need more of and I'll get and could you help me with the Winter cycle based on my goals of pure lean, low BF, high lean muscle mass. Don't care about size or strength more definition and hardness.

This is what I have:
50ml of 100mg/ml Parabolan
50ml of 100mg/ml NPP
40ml of 100mg/ml Primobolon
40ml of 100mg/ml Masteron
50ml of 100mg/ml of Test Prop
200 tabs of 50mg Proviron
400 tabs of 10mg var.

Don't like winny since hurts my old ass joints. But using the NPP with it should solve that issue. But I do have a shit ton of anavar.

Thanks for the input and I look fwd. to your help

Originally Posted by BigRed73

I'm currently on a low dose of the following and have been back in the gym for 3 months: 100mg Tren A & 100mg Test Prop EOD, 125mg Test E twice per week along with 100mcg T3 and clen (3 weeks on/off). I started at 14.9% and over the 3 months went done to 11%. Will be done with small cycle end of month. Then break for fall then do winter, so by winter I will be below or at 10% fo sure.

I plan to run growth all year long w/ monotoring from a physician (anti-aging specialists) at 4 to 6 iu's day (5 on/2 off). So with that said you stated I did not have enough gear for a good cycle. Wow I thought I had plenty of gear for a good cycle.

Please tell me what I need more of and I'll get and could you help me with the Winter cycle based on my goals of pure lean, low BF, high lean muscle mass. Don't care about size or strength more definition and hardness.

This is what I have:
50ml of 100mg/ml Parabolan
50ml of 100mg/ml NPP
40ml of 100mg/ml Primobolon
40ml of 100mg/ml Masteron
50ml of 100mg/ml of Test Prop
200 tabs of 50mg Proviron
400 tabs of 10mg var.

Don't like winny since hurts my old ass joints. But using the NPP with it should solve that issue. But I do have a shit ton of anavar.

Thanks for the input and I look fwd. to your help

Keep running the test/tren combo, and up your calories. You could throw in the NPP for joint support (NPP is awesome, great choice). Once you get down to 10% or so run the anavar at 100mg ED. Split the GH into two injections daily. Half in the AM and the other half early afternoon, use one of the injections PWO, seeing that I don't know when you train. You might want to cut the T3 back a little bit as 100mcg is slightly excessive. I hate clen but if you're going to run it 2 on 2 off works best. What do you think of this?

1-? - 250mg TEST E
1-? - 50mg Tren A
1-? - 50mg NPP
1-? - 100mg test prop
10% BF - 100mg anavar ED until it's gone.
1-? - 50mcg T3
1-? - 500ius HCG EW
1-? - .5mg cabergoline E3D
1-? - 12.5 - 25mg aromasin ED
1-? - 50mg proviron

What I ment by stating that you don't have enough gear is that an effective dose of primo is about 700mg EW. Masteron isn't a bulking steroid.

What do you think? That should help you grow and keep a good amout of BF in check, but diet dictates everything more than anything.

Excellent!!! Looks good and what is cabergoline? Never heard or taken

Originally Posted by BigRed73

Excellent!!! Looks good and what is cabergoline? Never heard or taken

It's for progestin sides (gyno) which is completely different from estrogen related gyno. You need BOTH when running a 19nor (npp and tren) and any amortizing agents like test.

You can also use pramipexole insted of the caber.

Good luck.

What you think about this cycle for being below 10%?

WEEKS 1-8: Anavar 80mg ed
WEEKS 1-6: Trenbolone 100mg ed
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg ed
WEEKS 4-8: Masteron 100mg eod
WEEKS 4-8: NPP 100mg eod
WEEKS 4-8: Winny 100mg ed Oral
WEEKS 1-8: T3 50-100mcg ed
WEEKS 1-10: Anastrozol 0.25 mg ed
WEEKS 1-10: Proviron 50mg ed
Clenbuterol 80-100mcg: 14 DAYS ON, 14 DAYS OFF
WEEKS 1-8: PREGNYL (HCG) 500iu every week

WEEK 8: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid daily
WEEK 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid daily
WEEK 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid daily

I wouldn't double up on the orals.

I mean, I've done it before, but it really jacked up my liver values..